[arin-discuss] Fwd: [ARIN-Suggestions] New ACSP Suggestion 2014.10: CHANGES TO CANDIDATE SPEECHES

[John Brown]

censorship is not a good thing.  fear leads to the darkside.

if a candidate does something stewpid, then the voters can signal that
with their votes, or lack there of.

Less rules, better

On Thu, Jun 5, 2014 at 12:42 PM, Paul Andersen <paul at egate.net> wrote:
>
> -1
>
> I'm having a hard time reconciling what is going on here.
>
> The idea of effectively pre-approving candidate messaging feels to me like
> the proposed cure is worse then the disease. Who will approve these? And
> when a video isn't approved what stops that person from publishing it on
> youtube anyway? (Each candidate gets a link to a webpage currently). And
> what if they instead just encourage people to visit a link where said
> endorsement is made? Or if they are wearing a T-Shirt with the other
> candidate?  A picture of the other candidate on their desk? Will all those
> be blocked?
>
> We also seem to encourage the idea of third party endorsements. There is an
> entire section dedicated in the election website to that purpose.
>
> I'm also uncomfortable with the concept of "severe penalties". It am
> gathering from the comments that Bernadette did not solicit Owen's
> endorsement. Would the penalty be against Owen? Bernadette? Again -- this
> all starts to get ugly quick.
>
> Is the cleaner solution that if your offended by what a candidate just don't
> vote for them?
>
> And are we going to get into all the other ways people try and rally votes?
> Facebook? Twitter? Direct Emailing? I think if we're going to start putting
> policies around this we need to look at the whole picture and not just one
> aspect of it.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Paul
>
>
> (Full Disclosure: Two elections ago there was a rash of this happening
> during the BoT speeches of which I was a candidate. I'm pretty sure somebody
> endorsed me - but others endorsed candidates who were not me. I thought it
> was strange but was not upset by it).
>
>
>
> On 6/5/2014 10:52 AM, Bill Sandiford wrote:
>
> +1
>
> I was a candidate one of the years that this occurred.  It was very
> upsetting.  I believe a good set of rules, with severe penalties if broken,
> is sufficient to ensure this doesn’t happen again.  A prohibition on
> speeches seems excessive to me.
>
> Bill
>
> On Jun 5, 2014, at 9:45 AM, CJ Aronson <cja at daydream.com> wrote:
>
> It has been brought to my attention that this has happened more than once.
> My mistake.  The more reason that there should be guidelines for candidate
> speeches.  I still think taking them away completely is extreme.
>
> Thanks!
> ----Cathy
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 8:38 PM, CJ Aronson <cja at daydream.com> wrote:
>>
>> Wow I agree with Owen.  I believe that in person speeches are useful and
>> give the community a chance to get to know the candidates.  Everyone who is
>> willing to run for election should be told the rules.  in the whole history
>> of ARIN this issue has appeared in one election and I feel that if the
>> candidates are told the rules there will be no further problems.
>>
>> Thanks!
>> ----Cathy
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 6:04 PM, Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> I oppose the implementation of this suggestion.
>>>
>>> No rule prohibiting what Paul and I did existed prior to our doing it. I
>>> don’t see any way in which it impacted the integrity of the election
>>> process.
>>>
>>> However, it has been made clear that such conduct is not desired and I
>>> see no reason that simply making that fact known is not sufficient. Going to
>>> written-only or pre-fabricated speeches is an unnecessary overreaction,
>>> IMHO.
>>>
>>> Owen
>>>
>>> On Jun 4, 2014, at 9:04 AM, ARIN <info at arin.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> A new suggestion was received through the ACSP, and was assigned number
>>> 2014.10 upon receipt of confirmation.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The text of the Suggestion is available at:
>>> https://www.arin.net/participate/acsp/suggestions/2014-10.html
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ARIN will issue an initial response within 10 business days.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Communications and Member Services
>>> American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ***
>>> Suggestion:
>>>
>>> With election time starting to be on the horizon again, it's time for
>>> ARIN to address the events of October in Phoenix, where an outgoing Board
>>> member hijacked the agenda to stump for his preferred board candidates, and
>>> an AC candidate used his speech time to endorse others.
>>>
>>> I think that for the integrity of the ARIN election process to remain
>>> intact, ARIN either needs to remove candidate speeches and stick to written
>>> materials, or have the speeches given in premade form like a video or
>>> something on the ARIN website.
>>>
>>>
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