[arin-discuss] IPv6 as justification for IPv4?

Tue Apr 16 23:05:51 EDT 2013

Serge,

	You didn't do your math wrong. There's a few different cost proposals
going around so that was an off the top of my head average while I was
driving on the freeway after a wine tasting :D My point was really,
though, that un-monetised is un-monetised at whatever amount. At the time
I got it it was completely free for me and that was a big reason I picked
it up for my company and rolled it out natively end to end.

Jesse Geddis
LA Broadband LLC

On 4/16/13 7:06 PM, "Serge  Paquin" <serge at skycomp.ca> wrote:

>Yes I was referring to ipv4 and it was Policy not Cost that was my
>barrier as well.
>
>If you don't mind me asking (and I hope I haven't done my math wrong) at
>/32 IPv6 is about $166 per month but with the current waiver discount
>it's really about $125 for this year.
>
>Where are you getting the $300?  I just received my ARIN bill and it's
>not $3,600.  I am actually one of the people in which my /32 IPv6
>allotment has pushed me to a Small from X-Small but I don't have IPv6 in
>production yet.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Jesse D. Geddis [mailto:jesse at la-broadband.com]
>Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 8:50 PM
>To: Serge Paquin
>Cc: Alec Ginsberg; arin-discuss at arin.net
>Subject: Re: [arin-discuss] IPv6 as justification for IPv4?
>
>Serge,
>
>It sounds like you're referencing ipv4 specifically. For me ARIN policy
>was the barrier to entry there rather than fees. As far as ipv6 is
>concerned the barrier was removed by ARINs fee waiver for my /32. Ipv6 in
>my experience hasn't been monetized by many, if any I've seen on this
>list. So purely from a business perspective if I can't monetize $300ish a
>month in ARIN ipv6 fees why would I bother.
>
>Jesse Geddis
>LA Broadband LLC
>
>On Apr 16, 2013, at 4:43 PM, "Serge  Paquin" <serge at skycomp.ca> wrote:
>
>> As for the Barrier to Entry; I don't believe it is the fees so much
>>(The fee was not our issue at all) as the very hard time to justify the
>>initial /22 allocation. Until you already have space swiped to you from
>>your ISP and in production you can't get a direct assignment since you
>>can't prove need.
>> 
>> Then when you get your allocation you have a timeframe to renumber your
>>now production clients into the new space and hand back your ISP
>>allocated space.
>> 
>> We did this a couple years ago and it was a major undertaking in
>>additional costs of staff, tech support and scheduling to work with each
>>client to renumber.
>> 
>> It was a business decision that we'd be a more stable and healthy
>>company having our own IP space and set forth with that goal in mind and
>>accepted the cost but it was a lot more than the ARIN fees.
>> 
>> I do have to say that the ARIN support staff were helpful and we had no
>>issues dealing with them.  We just had to meet all the criteria before
>>they could issue us a direct allocation of course.
>> 
>> Serge.
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: arin-discuss-bounces at arin.net
>> [mailto:arin-discuss-bounces at arin.net] On Behalf Of Alec Ginsberg
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 7:19 PM
>> To: arin-discuss at arin.net
>> Subject: Re: [arin-discuss] IPv6 as justification for IPv4?
>> 
>> I also would like to understand why this budget is so large, given what
>>ARIN does.  Are there details around this published?  At face value it
>>seems like $15 million / year is a lot of money, but maybe there is more
>>to it than meets the eye?
>> 
>> In addition to this.  Why not ramp up the IPv4 pricing while keeping
>>the IPv6 pricing low (For the time being), as we roll off IPv4 the IPv6
>>price can increase to meet the operating budget of ARIN.
>> 
>> As previously stated, with larger blocks that last longer, and fewer
>>limitations it seems that as IPv4 ramps down the operating budget will
>>be lower.
>> 
>> Additionally, I don't think the small fees ARIN charges or an ASN /
>>initial allocation should be considered a barrier to entry.  People are
>>providing a service to others for a profit.  If there is no budget for
>>the couple grand, it may be time to re-think the business model?  (Maybe
>>this is wrong of me to assume / say, but it is my gut instinct).
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: arin-discuss-bounces at arin.net
>> [mailto:arin-discuss-bounces at arin.net] On Behalf Of Robert Marder
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 5:10 PM
>> To: arin-discuss at arin.net
>> Subject: Re: [arin-discuss] IPv6 as justification for IPv4?
>> 
>>> We take ARINs current operating budget of $15mil
>> 
>> Am I the only one that thinks this is excessive?
>> 
>> An organization that does what ARIN does should not cost this much to
>>operate each year, in my opinion.
>> 
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