[arin-discuss] IPv6 as justification for IPv4?

[Serge Paquin]

Yes I was referring to ipv4 and it was Policy not Cost that was my barrier as well.

If you don't mind me asking (and I hope I haven't done my math wrong) at /32 IPv6 is about $166 per month but with the current waiver discount it's really about $125 for this year.

Where are you getting the $300?  I just received my ARIN bill and it's not $3,600.  I am actually one of the people in which my /32 IPv6 allotment has pushed me to a Small from X-Small but I don't have IPv6 in production yet.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jesse D. Geddis [mailto:jesse at la-broadband.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 8:50 PM
To: Serge Paquin
Cc: Alec Ginsberg; arin-discuss at arin.net
Subject: Re: [arin-discuss] IPv6 as justification for IPv4?

Serge,

It sounds like you're referencing ipv4 specifically. For me ARIN policy was the barrier to entry there rather than fees. As far as ipv6 is concerned the barrier was removed by ARINs fee waiver for my /32. Ipv6 in my experience hasn't been monetized by many, if any I've seen on this list. So purely from a business perspective if I can't monetize $300ish a month in ARIN ipv6 fees why would I bother. 

Jesse Geddis
LA Broadband LLC

On Apr 16, 2013, at 4:43 PM, "Serge  Paquin" <serge at skycomp.ca> wrote:

> As for the Barrier to Entry; I don't believe it is the fees so much (The fee was not our issue at all) as the very hard time to justify the initial /22 allocation. Until you already have space swiped to you from your ISP and in production you can't get a direct assignment since you can't prove need.
> 
> Then when you get your allocation you have a timeframe to renumber your now production clients into the new space and hand back your ISP allocated space.
> 
> We did this a couple years ago and it was a major undertaking in additional costs of staff, tech support and scheduling to work with each client to renumber.
> 
> It was a business decision that we'd be a more stable and healthy company having our own IP space and set forth with that goal in mind and accepted the cost but it was a lot more than the ARIN fees.
> 
> I do have to say that the ARIN support staff were helpful and we had no issues dealing with them.  We just had to meet all the criteria before they could issue us a direct allocation of course.
> 
> Serge.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:arin-discuss-bounces at arin.net] On Behalf Of Alec Ginsberg
> Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 7:19 PM
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> Subject: Re: [arin-discuss] IPv6 as justification for IPv4?
> 
> I also would like to understand why this budget is so large, given what ARIN does.  Are there details around this published?  At face value it seems like $15 million / year is a lot of money, but maybe there is more to it than meets the eye?
> 
> In addition to this.  Why not ramp up the IPv4 pricing while keeping the IPv6 pricing low (For the time being), as we roll off IPv4 the IPv6 price can increase to meet the operating budget of ARIN.
> 
> As previously stated, with larger blocks that last longer, and fewer limitations it seems that as IPv4 ramps down the operating budget will be lower.
> 
> Additionally, I don't think the small fees ARIN charges or an ASN / initial allocation should be considered a barrier to entry.  People are providing a service to others for a profit.  If there is no budget for the couple grand, it may be time to re-think the business model?  (Maybe this is wrong of me to assume / say, but it is my gut instinct).
> 
> 
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> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:arin-discuss-bounces at arin.net] On Behalf Of Robert Marder
> Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 5:10 PM
> To: arin-discuss at arin.net
> Subject: Re: [arin-discuss] IPv6 as justification for IPv4?
> 
>> We take ARINs current operating budget of $15mil
> 
> Am I the only one that thinks this is excessive?
> 
> An organization that does what ARIN does should not cost this much to operate each year, in my opinion.
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