[arin-discuss] IPv6 as justification for IPv4?

John Springer springer at inlandnet.com
Mon Apr 15 22:21:32 EDT 2013

Hi Jesse,

On Tue, 16 Apr 2013, Jesse D. Geddis wrote:

> John,
> I know ARIN serves that region :)

ACK grin back. And just for clarity, Barbados and Bajians.

> that was more of an aside. But the second part of my comment along that 
> line was what is Trinidad's total allocation and does it justify the 
> expense of flying John and however many others on his staff out there :)

and me, not to put too fine a point on it.

> vs awarding those two all expense paid tickets for two Trinidadian's to 
> come to the US or Canada or just make it totally neutral and somewhere 
> close to ARINs office :)

And herein lies the rub. It is not two Bajians, but potentially (and 
eventually, in fact) rather more of a bunch of Caribbeans. Large enough to 
make it worthwhile under quite a lot of considerations. And even if not, 
it's kinda harsh to argue that citizens of sovereign nations must pass 
under the loving hands of our, ahem, entrance requirements, to participate 
in f2f meetings on number policy based on how _FEW_ IPV4 addresses they 
have. SRSLY?! No.

> I didn't really want that to be the focus of my comments though.

K sorry, didn't mean to get worked up. :)

> I just thought it was interesting to include since we are talking about 
> fees here. I think it was a reasonable assumption to say hey would ARINs 
> fees be lower if we weren't doing that kind of "outreach" and what is 
> the expected return on that visit being in that specific location.

Understood. Low fees, good. Ideas about return, supergood. Maybe the
problem is the word 'outreach'. To me, this is more about seat at the 

John Springer

> Jesse Geddis
> LA Broadband LLC
> On Apr 15, 2013, at 5:27 PM, "John Springer" <springer at inlandnet.com> wrote:
>> Hi Jesse
>> On Mon, 15 Apr 2013, Jesse D. Geddis wrote:
>>> Also, regarding ARINs costs. I'm curious to know what the other options
>> and their price was vs this retreat ARIN is doing to Trinidad... Is that
>> really the best, most economical use of our fees? How many IPs are in use
>> there? I was pretty appalled when I saw that show up in my inbox. Surely
>> ARIN can find better uses for our funds than such extravagance...
>> Residents of the Caribbean are ARIN members and members of the community. Also, Canada! IMO, it is equitable to site meetings in other ARIN nations occasionally, that attendees from them may have more modest travel costs. Not to mention that entering the good ole USA as a furriner is rather less fun than it used to be.
>> John Springer

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