[arin-discuss] IPv6 as justification for IPv4?

Jesse D. Geddis jesse at la-broadband.com
Mon Apr 15 22:06:03 EDT 2013


Lee,

What do apple, MIT, and HP an others have to do with ARIN fees? Perhaps you missed my point. MIT is paying $18,000 per year (it could be lower because they're legacy) to sit on as many IPs as the entire small tier is using and paying $5mil or thereabouts for. If MIT or apple or whoever were paying a proportionate amount there's a decent chance they would reconsider the cost/benefit of doing so and not hoard millions of IPs...

Jesse Geddis
LA Broadband LLC

On Apr 15, 2013, at 6:52 PM, "Lee Howard" <spiffnolee at yahoo.com<mailto:spiffnolee at yahoo.com>> wrote:



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Cc: Brian Jankovich <bjankovich at vaultnetworks.com<mailto:bjankovich at vaultnetworks.com>>; Jawaid Bazyar <Jawaid.Bazyar at forethought.net<mailto:Jawaid.Bazyar at forethought.net>>; "arin-discuss at arin.net<mailto:arin-discuss at arin.net>" <arin-discuss at arin.net<mailto:arin-discuss at arin.net>>
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Subject: Re: [arin-discuss] IPv6 as justification for IPv4?

Lee,

You've just inadvertently argued (I'd say accurately) against the repeated assertions by those in this group that the large ISPs consume fewer man hours than small ISPs. Unlike Owen who's largest 'ISP' he's worked at is netcom in the early 90's I have worked at worldcom, uunet, and charter communications I happen to know (as you've rightfully pointed out) that x-large ISPs consume enormous amounts of ARIN man hours compared to everyone else.

No, I said they consume more of the ISP's staff hours.  When the IP analyst team at UUNET reported to me, we were very strict about address assignments; nobody got addresses without justification.  And yet, the ARIN staff always managed to turn around some pointed questions in less than a day.  I've never known how they did that.


A flat fee addresses all these concerns. Everyone pays for what they actually use
It discourages many of the ridiculous allocations we all see on a daily basis. Both by ARIN to ISPs and ISPs to customers by the x-large group.

Lee if you think apple needs a /8 to sell iPhones, ford needs a /8 to sell cars, HP needs a /8 to sell printer ink, and Eli Lilly needs a /8 to sell erections you and the rest of us may have very different ideas of what constitutes waste.

What do Apple, Ford, and HP's /8s have to do with ARIN fees?

Lee



Jesse Geddis
LA Broadband LLC

On Apr 15, 2013, at 2:39 PM, "Lee Howard" <spiffnolee at yahoo.com<mailto:spiffnolee at yahoo.com>> wrote:

The scrutiny on large ISPs is at least as rigorous as on small ISPs.  Large ISPs have a full time person managing IP address records and ARIN requests, and nothing else.  That is as it should be.

Lee


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Sent: Monday, April 15, 2013 4:36 PM
Subject: Re: [arin-discuss] IPv6 as justification for IPv4?

I agree and doubt ARIN is really holding them to the 3mo justification of
these IP blocks they are procuring.

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From: Jawaid Bazyar [mailto:Jawaid.Bazyar at forethought.net<mailto:Jawaid.Bazyar at forethought.net>]
Sent: Monday, April 15, 2013 3:07 PM
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Subject: Re: [arin-discuss] IPv6 as justification for IPv4?

Still, it's a fact that the big players are hoarding immense, unused
IPv4 space, which is why none of them care about IPv6.



On 04/15/2013 12:42 PM, Owen DeLong wrote:
> On Apr 15, 2013, at 10:51 , rlc at usfamily.net<mailto:rlc at usfamily.net> wrote:
>
>> You ARE new to this.  If you had been around longer, you would have
realized
>> that large players run the show at ARIN.  Otherwise, the fees would have
been
>> proportional to the size of the netblocks on IPv4, at least since the
time that
>> people started to come to grips with the mathematics of IPv4.
>>
> I don't believe that for a second.
>
> I have been an active member of this community since before ARIN was
formed
> and have been active in the ARIN policy process since not long after it
was formed.
>

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