[arin-discuss] IPv6 as justification for IPv4?

John Curran jcurran at arin.net
Mon Apr 15 19:42:57 EDT 2013

On Apr 15, 2013, at 6:41 PM, Jesse D. Geddis <jesse at la-broadband.com> wrote:

> John,
> Thank you. Here's my suggestion for fees. Comments are always welcome.
> Take the following pieces of data:
> Total assigned /24 for IPv4
> Total assigned /32 for IPv6

  How do you wish to count ISP allocations and end-users assignments, 
  i.e. separately or together?

  Also, why /32 for IPv6 and not /48?  (presuming 1 /48 per end-user 
  with IPv6, similar to 1 /32 IPv4 for end-user due to NAT use...)

  Working quickly (from the historical stats online) - 

  Total ISP allocations from 1999 to 2012 is 1,920,900 (in /24 equivalents)

> ARIN's yearly costs

  Nearly the same as revenues, and per page 14 of the fee slide deck, 
  approximately $15.4 million.

> Find the following:
> Take ARINs yearly cost an divide it by the first two numbers. I think that should dictate fees per /24 or /32 regardless of whether or not that's allocated in a /20 (IPv6) or a /12 (IPv4).
> If we were to do that what would that cost per /32 or /24?

 If it were purely divided by ISP IPv4 allocations, then 
 it would be approximately $8/year per /24 equivalent. 

> Also, regarding ARINs costs. I'm curious to know what the other options and their price was vs this retreat ARIN is doing to Trinidad... Is that really the best, most economical use of our fees? How many IPs are in use there? I was pretty appalled when I saw that show up in my inbox. Surely ARIN can find better uses for our funds than such extravagance...

 Jesse, ARIN serves more than 25 economies and the majority 
 of these are in the Caribbean.  We even have number resource
 policies which are specific to ISPs in the Caribbean region - 
 <https://www.arin.net/policy/nrpm.html#four9>  While most of
 our meetings are in the United States and Canada, we also 
 try to meet periodically in the Caribbean, as there is no 
 substitute for direct interaction with those who we serve.


John Curran
President and CEO


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