[arin-discuss] IPv6 as justification for IPv4?

Jesse D. Geddis jesse at la-broadband.com
Mon Apr 15 15:14:11 EDT 2013


Thanks so much for finally breaking this down. I've asked for this a few

Here is how the data you pasted breaks out in fees collected in aggregate
by those groups based on your numbers.

X-Small		948	$1,185,000
   Small		2,240	$5,600,000
   Medium		630	$2,835,000
   Large		106	$954,000
   X­Large		73	$1,314,000

	My next question, John, is would you kindly superimpose the resources
consumed in each category? What I want to know specifically is what how
many IP's are currently allocated to each "class". For example, the small
category can only possibly be allocated 18,345,600 IPv4's at the very most.

	Here's what I find particularly interesting about these numbers:
The entire group of "Small" are using in total less IP's than many SINGLE
customers in X-Large. However, they are collectively paying 5x more. In
other words. 2,240 customers are collectively paying $5.6million dollars
for what 1 customer is paying $18k for! What the heck?

	With regards to Owen's comments. Your entire email lacks foundation as
there is not a single data source to support it.

Jesse Geddis
LA Broadband LLC

On 4/15/13 11:21 AM, "John Curran" <jcurran at arin.net> wrote:

>On Apr 15, 2013, at 1:51 PM, rlc at usfamily.net wrote:
>> You ARE new to this.  If you had been around longer, you would have
>> that large players run the show at ARIN.  Otherwise, the fees would
>>have been
>> proportional to the size of the netblocks on IPv4, at least since the
>>time that
>> people started to come to grips with the mathematics of IPv4.
>> Instead, the big guys mumble that ARIN has administrative economies of
>> with them.  So what?  If ARIN REALLY wanted to encourage large-scale
>> of IPv6, they would have squeezed the big guys.  Never happened, never
>Note that the Revised Fee schedule actually adds a new category of
>which raises fees for the largest ISPs significantly; this would not be an
>expected outcome if "large players run the show at ARIN".
>Also, ARIN's membership is mostly composed of small and medium ISPs, thus
>putting the election of the ARIN Board of Trustees far more control of
>small ISP community than largest ISPs -
>   Size        2011
>   Category    Count
>   X-Small      948
>   Small      2,240
>   Medium       630
>   Large        106
>   X­Large       73
>It is true that some ISPs participate more heavily in ARIN policy and
>governance discussions than do others, but that is a choice up to each
>member of the community.
>John Curran
>President and CEO
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