[arin-discuss] Status of realigning the IPv6 fee structure?

Wed Mar 14 17:26:09 EDT 2012

I would agree with this.

The smallest allocation available to ISP's under IPv4 (the /22) should 
cost the same as the smallest allocation available to ISP's under IPv6 
(the /32).

That just seems like common sense to me.

Changing the smallest allocation available under IPv6 isn't very fair 
to those that adopted IPv6 early - early adopters shouldn't be stuck 
with higher fees because the goal posts were moved.

On 14.03.2012 14:14, John Brown wrote:
> Could you see calling a /32 Extra-Small ??
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: arin-discuss-bounces at arin.net [mailto:arin-discuss-
>> bounces at arin.net] On Behalf Of Owen DeLong
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 12:59 PM
>> To: Mike A. Salim
>> Cc: arin-discuss
>> Subject: Re: [arin-discuss] Status of realigning the IPv6 fee 
>> structure?
>>
>> I don't believe anyone is discussing increasing current IPv6 fees.
>>
>> What is under discussion, I believe, is the exact manner in which to 
>> make it
>> possible to get an IPv6 allocation without having it cause an 
>> increase over
>> what current subscribers are paying for IPv4.
>>
>> If you were an X-Small IPv4 subscriber, then when you got your /32, 
>> you
>> moved into the small category and went from paying $1250/year to 
>> paying at
>> least $2250/year (nearly doubling your fees) except to the extent 
>> that you've
>> been receiving a fee waiver as has been the case so far for all IPv6
>> subscribers. (not IPv6 end users).
>>
>> I'm not privy to what the board and the finance committee have been
>> discussing, but, what has been discussed on this list so far that I 
>> recall are
>> these three possibilities:
>>
>> 1.	Lower fees for existing /32 and smaller subscribers to equivalent 
>> to
>> IPv4 X-Small ($1,250/year)
>> 2.	Leave existing /32 and larger subscribers with their current fees
>> ($2,250+/year) and create the X-Small
>> 	category for /36 subscribers only at $1,250/year.
>> 3.	Change the fee for the small category to $1,250/year, but leave 
>> the
>> boundary between small and medium at /40.
>>
>> Personally, I think 3 is absurd. I just can't see calling an 
>> organization with a /40
>> "extra small".
>>
>> Your second paragraph is not clear as to whether you are advocating 
>> 1 or 2 or
>> some different mixture of the two.
>>
>> I would be OK with extending X-Small up to and including /32 and I 
>> agree that
>> is the best alternative if it can be done without too much of a 
>> revenue hit to
>> ARIN.
>>
>> I would also be OK with treating existing /32 subscribers as x-small 
>> and
>> marking new /32s as small, though ARIN may not want the accounting
>> overhead associated with that.
>>
>> I don't think that anyone should be forced to renumber or pay higher 
>> fees
>> than they are already paying as part of this. However, I'm not sure 
>> that
>> people who want to have their existing fees lowered by $1,000/year
>> shouldn't have to vacate 15/16ths of their address space to receive 
>> that fee
>> reduction. I'm undecided on this issue as I don't have full 
>> knowledge of the
>> impact of the various alternatives on ARIN's financial state.
>>
>> Owen
>>
>> On Mar 14, 2012, at 11:00 AM, Mike A. Salim wrote:
>>
>> > This is a good discussion.  We are currently utilizing our /32 
>> IPv6 space.  If
>> we are forced to go to a smaller allocation at this point we would 
>> be forced to
>> renumber, and it would cause issues for us and for our customers.  
>> And I
>> totally concur that an increase in IPv6 fees at this early stage of 
>> IPv6 adoption
>> will be counter productive.
>> >
>> > I suggest that if XS or smaller allocations are introduced, that 
>> existing
>> allocations be grandfathered without a price change.  There is 
>> enough IPv6
>> space that this should not be a problem.
>> >
>> > Best regards
>> > Mike
>> >
>> > A. Michael Salim
>> > VP and Chief Technology Officer,
>> > American Data Technology, Inc.
>> > PO Box 12892
>> > Research Triangle Park, NC 27709, USA
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>> > F: (919)544-5345
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>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: arin-discuss-bounces at arin.net
>> > [mailto:arin-discuss-bounces at arin.net] On Behalf Of Randy 
>> Carpenter
>> > Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 5:47 PM
>> > To: arin-discuss
>> > Subject: [arin-discuss] Status of realigning the IPv6 fee 
>> structure?
>> >
>> >
>> > What is the status of realigning the IPv6 fee structure so that it 
>> matches the
>> current policy of allocating based on nibble boundaries? This has 
>> been
>> discussed in the past, but I have not heard anything lately. Jumping 
>> from
>> $2,250 right to $9,000 doesn't make much sense.
>> >
>> > thanks,
>> > -Randy
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