[arin-discuss] fee waivers

[Brian Johnson]

OK. So you are getting a better deal than any ISP, even with the
discount we get for a short period. What is your complaint again?

Let's say I got a small IPv6 allocation in '08:

				 You		 Me
---------------------------------------------
Initial Allocation 	1250		 225
Yr 2 Renewal		 100		 562.50
Yr 3 Renewal		 100		1125
Yr 4 Renewal		 100		1687.50
---------------------------------------------
3 year total		1450		2600

And every year after this I will pay $2250 for my allocation, but you
will only pay $100 for your assignment. Do you expect me to feel sorry
for you or anyone in your situation?

I see no reason to modify the policy at all.

- Brian

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Aaron Wendel [mailto:aaron at wholesaleinternet.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 8:48 PM
> To: Brian Johnson; arin-discuss at arin.net
> Subject: RE: [arin-discuss] fee waivers
> 
> Of course.
> 
> Here is the section in the policy manual that deals with end users:
> 
> https://www.arin.net/policy/nrpm.html#four3
> 
> Make sure you meet the qualifications there.  Then refer to the fee
> schedule.
> 
> https://www.arin.net/fees/fee_schedule.html
> 
> Scroll down past ISPs to end users and read the text before the fees.
> 
> And... back to the topic at hand, here is the current fee waiver for
> initial
> v6 allocations to ISPs.
> 
> https://www.arin.net/fees/fee_schedule.html#waivers
> 
> Aaron
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: arin-discuss-bounces at arin.net [mailto:arin-discuss-
> bounces at arin.net]
> On Behalf Of Brian Johnson
> Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 8:13 PM
> To: arin-discuss at arin.net
> Subject: Re: [arin-discuss] fee waivers
> 
> Aaron,
> 
> So maybe this is my misunderstanding, but I thought the fee was the
> same
> for the IPv6 as it is for IPv4 space... In fact it is
> (https://www.arin.net/fees/fee_schedule.html). How do you only pay
$100
> when you have an allocation and the minimum charge for an allocation
is
> $1250/yr?
> 
> Is there a special way I can have my allocations for $100/yr. Where do
> I
> sign up? :)
> 
> - Brian
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Aaron Wendel [mailto:aaron at wholesaleinternet.net]
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 6:54 PM
> > To: Brian Johnson; arin-discuss at arin.net
> > Subject: RE: [arin-discuss] fee waivers
> >
> > We do.  Got it a couple years ago when we first started up.  A
member
> > paid
> > the initial fee then as well and I pull the $100 out of my pocket
> every
> > year
> > to pay the ongoing ARIN Fees.
> >
> > Again, this isn't about my situation specifically.  My bill is paid.
> > This
> > is about a barrier to entry for other end users that may not be able
> or
> > willing to pony up for a v6 allocation that they don't see as
> "mission
> > critical" at this point.
> >
> > Whether they should or not is another debate but I really feel that
> we
> > need
> > to look at any and all barriers to entry on the v6 side and see what
> we
> > can
> > do to make it, if not a zero-sum game then at least less painful.
> >
> > Aaron
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: arin-discuss-bounces at arin.net [mailto:arin-discuss-
> > bounces at arin.net]
> > On Behalf Of Brian Johnson
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 6:31 PM
> > To: arin-discuss at arin.net
> > Subject: Re: [arin-discuss] fee waivers
> >
> > Do you have IPv4 space now? How are/were you paying that fee?
> >
> >
> > - Brian
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: arin-discuss-bounces at arin.net [mailto:arin-discuss-
> > > bounces at arin.net] On Behalf Of Aaron Wendel
> > > Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 2:46 PM
> > > To: arin-discuss at arin.net
> > > Subject: [arin-discuss] fee waivers
> > >
> > > As the operator of a small, free exchange point I was recently hit
> > with
> > > the
> > > $1250 fee for an IPv6 allocation.  After several go arounds with
> our
> > > members
> > > one of them stepped up to the plate and generously donated the fee
> to
> > > cover
> > > it.  (Thanks HE!)
> > >
> > > It made me think though.  Without this help we would not have gone
> v6
> > > or we
> > > would have had to implement some work around: space from a member,
> > > private
> > > space, etc. that wouldn't have been optimum and may have been such
> a
> > > hassle
> > > we would have just abandoned it.
> > >
> > > It seems to me that it would be a good idea to extend the fee
> waiver
> > > ISPs
> > > receive to end users for a time, on the current sliding scale, to
> > > encourage
> > > adoption of v6 by everyone, not just ISPs.  My fee has already
been
> > > paid but
> > > if we're really trying to push adoption, incentives should be
> applied
> > > to
> > > everyone on the same plane and not just a single "class".
> > >
> > > Aaron
> > > Kcix.net
> > >
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