[arin-discuss] Suggestion 2010.1 -- Initial Fee Waiver for IPv6 assignments to LRSA signatories

Fri Feb 5 01:53:58 EST 2010

Aaron, I think your are confusing terms here.

Assignments apply to end users.
Allocations apply to ISPs/LIRs.

If you are an end user and have a legacy assignment, sign an LRSA, you pay $100/year.
If you then turn around and get an additional assignment under RSA, you pay whatever initial fee for that
additional assignment and continue to pay $100/year for everything. (This includes ASNs as well, btw).
This does not include ARIN membership which you can obtain by paying an additional $500/year.

If you are an LIR/ISP then the fee structure is more complicated.  There are no fees for additional
allocations, but, the amount of address space you added in each year is used to determine whether
your "usage tier" increases or not.  You pay the annual subscription fee for your usage tier, and
this includes ARIN membership.

Make sense?

OK, now that we have all of that clear, the suggestion in question is for entities which have a
legacy assignment (end-users) and sign the LRSA, the initial fee ($1250 for a /48, most likely)
is waived.  They would continue paying $100/year for their IPv4 legacy and IPv6 RSA resources
as well as any ASN resources or other RSA resources they may also have.

In contrast, there has, for several years, been a fee reduction in place for IPv6 for ISP/LIR
organizations which this year is down to a 50% reduction and IIRC drops to 25% next year.

Owen

On Feb 4, 2010, at 1:12 PM, Aaron Wendel wrote:

> Okay, so if I have a legacy assignment and sign an LRSA, then get more IPs and sign an RSA for those I still only pay the $100 a year for everything or do I pay ARIN’s regular fees since I now have an RSA for my new allocation?
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> From: arin-discuss-bounces at arin.net [mailto:arin-discuss-bounces at arin.net] On Behalf Of Owen DeLong
> Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 3:03 PM
> To: Scott Leibrand
> Cc: arin-discuss at arin.net
> Subject: Re: [arin-discuss] Suggestion 2010.1 -- Initial Fee Waiver for IPv6 assignments to LRSA signatories
>  
> However, the ongoing maintenance fees for assignments are $100/year which you are already
> paying if you signed the LRSA, so, there is actually no additional ongoing cost, either.
>  
> Owen
>  
> On Feb 4, 2010, at 11:45 AM, Scott Leibrand wrote:
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> If you have a legacy allocation and need additional number resources from ARIN, you have to sign a regular RSA to get them.  The LRSA only covers the legacy resources themselves.  So the IPv6 resources this fee waiver suggestion would apply to would be covered by the RSA.   It would not be an ongoing distinction, though, as it would only waive the initial assignment fee, not ongoing maintenance fees.
> 
> -Scott
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> On 2/4/2010 11:09 AM, Aaron Wendel wrote:
> I have a question on this.
>  
> If I have a legacy allocation do I not have to sign a regular RSA to get resources from ARIN?  Do we have 2 classes of IP holders getting services here?
>  
> Aaron
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> From: arin-discuss-bounces at arin.net [mailto:arin-discuss-bounces at arin.net] On Behalf Of Keith W. Hare
> Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 1:07 PM
> To: arin-discuss at arin.net
> Subject: Re: [arin-discuss] Suggestion 2010.1 -- Initial Fee Waiver for IPv6 assignments to LRSA signatories
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> I support Owen’s  suggestion that IPv6 initial assignment fees be waived for legacy resource holders who have signed the LRSA.
>  
> Keith Hare
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> From: arin-discuss-bounces at arin.net [mailto:arin-discuss-bounces at arin.net] On Behalf Of Owen DeLong
> Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 11:39 PM
> To: arin-discuss at arin.net
> Subject: [arin-discuss] Suggestion 2010.1 -- Initial Fee Waiver for IPv6 assignments to LRSA signatories
>  
> I have submitted a formal suggestion to the ACSP recommending that the BoT waive initial
> assignment fees for IPv6 when the applicant is a legacy resource holder that has signed
> the LRSA.
>  
> I believe this helps remove most of the barriers to entry for legacy IPv4 holders to migrate
> to IPv6 and is in the best interests of the community.
>  
> ARIN has informed me that the matter will be placed on the Board's finance committee
> agenda.  As such, I would like to encourage members here who have an opinion on the
> matter to let the board know what you think, ideally by posting a message to this list.
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>  
> Owen
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> Below is the message I received from ARIN and the original suggestion I submitted:
>  
> Owen,
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> This is in response to your suggestion noted below and assigned number 2010.1.
> 
> Thank you for your suggestion relating to charging no initial fee related to request for an initial IPv6 allocation and/or assignments for Legacy Holders that have signed the ARIN Legacy Registration Service Agreement.  As this relates to fees, this will be added to the ARIN Board's Finance Committee agenda for 2010.
> 
> Some other information related to this suggestion is that the current IPv6 waiver for allocations for initial requests and renewals in 2010 is a 50% fee waiver. For requests in 2011, the allocation fees will be 25% waived. 
> In terms of assignments, the initial fee is not waived.  Clients requesting assignment resources pay an initial fee per request of address space and thereafter pay annual allocation or maintenance fees related to the Organizational ID as a whole. Initial fees are to cover the effort related to reviewing and analyzing the request, whereas maintenance fees are designed to cover the overhead of maintaining objects in the database.
> 
> Recent changes were implemented in mid 2009 for organizations with both ARIN-issued and Legacy Resources. They are assessed an Annual Fee based on the ARIN-issued resources and not charged the Legacy resource maintenance fee.
> 
> ARIN is reliant on its active membership to help it better serve the community and we want to commend you for your continuing activism and service.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Member Services
> American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN)
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> 2010.1
> 01-18-2010 16:58:30
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> ARIN should offer legacy holders that sign the LRSA the opportunity to receive an appropriate IPv6 allocation or assignment for no initial fee. The applicable standard renewal fees would apply thereafter.
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