[arin-discuss] Suggestion 2010.1 -- Initial Fee Waiver for IPv6 assignments to LRSA signatories

Thu Feb 4 16:24:21 EST 2010

To address Owen's suggestion directly, I am not opposed to fee waivers to
encourage v6 adoption, however, I think ARIN should avoid, at all costs,
doing favors for one segment of address holders and not another.  If the
suggestion was just for a blanket fee waiver then I don't see a problem with
it.  It's up to ARIN to decide whether they can take the financial hit.

Since I have a draft proposal on the table currently I'm becoming very
educated to the different "camps" that exist in the ARIN community.  You
would be amazed at how these conversations are shaped by people who don't
even hold address space.  ARIN needs to be careful to make sure the needs to
its overall membership are serviced before it caters to any specific group
or even anonymous individuals posting on PPML.

Aaron

From: arin-discuss-bounces at arin.net [mailto:arin-discuss-bounces at arin.net]
On Behalf Of Owen DeLong
Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 3:03 PM
To: Scott Leibrand
Cc: arin-discuss at arin.net
Subject: Re: [arin-discuss] Suggestion 2010.1 -- Initial Fee Waiver for IPv6
assignments to LRSA signatories

However, the ongoing maintenance fees for assignments are $100/year which
you are already

paying if you signed the LRSA, so, there is actually no additional ongoing
cost, either.

Owen

On Feb 4, 2010, at 11:45 AM, Scott Leibrand wrote:

If you have a legacy allocation and need additional number resources from
ARIN, you have to sign a regular RSA to get them.  The LRSA only covers the
legacy resources themselves.  So the IPv6 resources this fee waiver
suggestion would apply to would be covered by the RSA.   It would not be an
ongoing distinction, though, as it would only waive the initial assignment
fee, not ongoing maintenance fees.

-Scott

On 2/4/2010 11:09 AM, Aaron Wendel wrote: 

I have a question on this.

If I have a legacy allocation do I not have to sign a regular RSA to get
resources from ARIN?  Do we have 2 classes of IP holders getting services
here?

Aaron

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On Behalf Of Keith W. Hare
Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 1:07 PM
To: arin-discuss at arin.net
Subject: Re: [arin-discuss] Suggestion 2010.1 -- Initial Fee Waiver for IPv6
assignments to LRSA signatories

I support Owen's  suggestion that IPv6 initial assignment fees be waived for
legacy resource holders who have signed the LRSA.

Keith Hare

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From: arin-discuss-bounces at arin.net [mailto:arin-discuss-bounces at arin.net]
On Behalf Of Owen DeLong
Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 11:39 PM
To: arin-discuss at arin.net
Subject: [arin-discuss] Suggestion 2010.1 -- Initial Fee Waiver for IPv6
assignments to LRSA signatories

I have submitted a formal suggestion to the ACSP recommending that the BoT
waive initial

assignment fees for IPv6 when the applicant is a legacy resource holder that
has signed

the LRSA.

I believe this helps remove most of the barriers to entry for legacy IPv4
holders to migrate

to IPv6 and is in the best interests of the community.

ARIN has informed me that the matter will be placed on the Board's finance
committee

agenda.  As such, I would like to encourage members here who have an opinion
on the

matter to let the board know what you think, ideally by posting a message to
this list.

Owen

Below is the message I received from ARIN and the original suggestion I
submitted:

Owen,

This is in response to your suggestion noted below and assigned number
2010.1.

Thank you for your suggestion relating to charging no initial fee related to
request for an initial IPv6 allocation and/or assignments for Legacy Holders
that have signed the ARIN Legacy Registration Service Agreement.  As this
relates to fees, this will be added to the ARIN Board's Finance Committee
agenda for 2010.

Some other information related to this suggestion is that the current IPv6
waiver for allocations for initial requests and renewals in 2010 is a 50%
fee waiver. For requests in 2011, the allocation fees will be 25% waived. 
In terms of assignments, the initial fee is not waived.  Clients requesting
assignment resources pay an initial fee per request of address space and
thereafter pay annual allocation or maintenance fees related to the
Organizational ID as a whole. Initial fees are to cover the effort related
to reviewing and analyzing the request, whereas maintenance fees are
designed to cover the overhead of maintaining objects in the database.

Recent changes were implemented in mid 2009 for organizations with both
ARIN-issued and Legacy Resources. They are assessed an Annual Fee based on
the ARIN-issued resources and not charged the Legacy resource maintenance
fee.

ARIN is reliant on its active membership to help it better serve the
community and we want to commend you for your continuing activism and
service.

Regards,

Member Services
American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN)

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2010.1
01-18-2010 16:58:30

ARIN should offer legacy holders that sign the LRSA the opportunity to
receive an appropriate IPv6 allocation or assignment for no initial fee. The
applicable standard renewal fees would apply thereafter.

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