[arin-discuss] ARIN billing practice

[John Curran]

Mark -

     We do perform incorporation checks.  That is not the problem;  
these are perfectly legally formed entites approaching for address  
space.

/John

President and CEO
ARIN

On Sep 22, 2009, at 7:51 AM, Mark Bayliss <mark at visuallink.com> wrote:

> Ted,
>
> The problem of people giving false information or setting up a bogus  
> company in order to acquire IP address space to send spam or "USE"  
> should be very simple to stop or at least reduce.
> The information AIRN requests in order to apply for IP address space  
> should be expanded to include their business License information and  
> government TAX ID# or Tax exemption #. This can then be checked in  
> any country that ARIN provides IP address resources.
> Even EDU or government departments are required to have a business  
> license and in all countries there is some form of TAX ID number.  
> Since their is not a country in North America that has not figured  
> out how to TAX every business in their respective countries thay all  
> have a TAX ID system were each business is give an individual Tax  
> number or ID. This information could then be checked to see if the  
> entity at least has a business licenses and TAX ID#. Then ARIN  
> should contact the business using the Address listed in the  
> government business license and tax ID information to verify that  
> they are the actual group requesting the IP address space. This is  
> not a new method most vendors use this method to verify that the  
> company that has made an order is actually the company they claim to  
> be. In the state of Virginia we had a large amount of people  
> obtaining Drivers licenses under a false name and address. In fact  
> all of the 9/11 hijackers had Virginia Driver licensees.  In order  
> to prevent this the Virginia Division of motor Vehicle registration  
> now requires at least two forms of government issued Identification  
> in order to obtain a driver license. Arin should basically do the  
> same. Virginia found that every person had a birth certificate and  
> SSN number that lives in the USA. You could also provide a  
> Government issued Passport or a Voter registration card as well. In  
> the case of any ISP, Government, EDU, or business attempting to  
> apply for IP address space their should be the same basic  
> requirement of two forms of government issued ID. In this case the  
> universal ID would be a Business licence and TAX ID#.  This  
> information even though it is public knowledge would not have to  
> listed in the public WHOIS information but used to verify the  
> Identity of the actual group applying for IP address space.
>
>
>
>                                   Mark Bayliss
>
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>
>
>
> At 07:01 PM 9/21/2009, you wrote:
>> John Brown wrote:
>>> Natural person YOU or  Jurist person YOU ??
>>> Remember that a corporation is considered an entity that is separate
>>> from humans.
>>> ARIN is not the place to battle spam or other bad packets.
>>> ARIN is a steward of binary resources and if you meet the  
>>> requirements
>>> you should have access to those binary resources.
>>
>> And, if you "rent" those resources the community also has a right
>> to know who you are.  That is why the WHOIS database exists and is
>> public.  This is no different than if you buy property (also a  
>> community
>> resource) which is why your deed is public record.  Note that buying
>> property is similar to renting because the government assesses rent
>> (in the form of property taxes) to all property every year, and if  
>> you fail to pay it the government takes the property back.
>>
>> A corporation that supplies bogus WHOIS data to ARIN is committing
>> fraud, as well as violating the RSA it just signed, and should  
>> therefore
>> lose it's "binary resources"  This is why the WHOIS POC cleanup was
>> approved.
>>
>> As provider of public contact info for the "binary resources"  
>> assigned
>> to a spammer, it's disingenuous to argue that ARIN has nothing to do
>> with battling spam or bad packets.  On the contrary, the role ARIN
>> fulfills is vital to battling spam and bad packets.  Jut because they
>> aren't firing the bullets doesn't mean that they aren't providing
>> critical backup support to those who are.
>>
>>
>> Ted
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