[arin-discuss] ARIN billing practice
owen at delong.com
Mon Sep 21 15:15:04 EDT 2009
What about a policy that covers the situation of repeated receipt and
reclamation? For example:
1. Standard process applies the first time you get address space
as it does today.
2. You return the space or fail to pay your bill.
3. You come back for a second round of addresses on a new "initial"
application. Based on your history, you are expected to front a deposit
for your next two years renewal as well, 50% of which is refundable
if you return your space at the end of the first year. (In other words,
you pay 3 years up front, if you only use 1, you get 1 back, costs you
two.) If you use for more than a year, the deposit is forfeit, but,
owe fees until you begin your fourth year of utilization.
4. You return the space, get your one year refund, and subsequently
apply for a 3rd round of addressing on yet another new application.
5. This time, you're still charged on the 3-year deposit basis, but,
On Sep 21, 2009, at 7:30 AM, Schiller, Heather A (HeatherSkanks) wrote:
> I was reading Chris Morrow's comment on Nanog - about spammers..
> "The end of the discussion was along the lines of: "Yes, we know this
> guy is bad news, but he always comes to us with the proper paperwork
> numbers, there's nothing in the current policy set to deny him address
> resources. Happily though he never pays his bill after the first 12
> months so we just reclaim whatever resources are allocated
> then." (yes,
> comments about more address space ending up on BL's were made, and
> he probably doesn't pay because after the first 3 months the address
> space is 'worthless' to him...)"
> ..and got to wondering, "Why doesn't ARIN charge first and last years
> "rent" on resource allocations?"
> If you notify ARIN before your bill is due, that you will be returning
> the resource and not renewing, you get a refund. If you don't notify
> ARIN and your bill lapses, then ARIN isn't out the money they would
> gotten from you, during the time they hold your resource before/during
> revocation for non-payment. (since most folks keep using it, you
> still have to pay for it..)
> I'm not claiming this would make the spam thing any better.. just
> the financial bar, make them have to do work if they want their money
> I don't know whether I'm even in favor of this or not.. but just about
> every other 'utility' type service has this practice, and maybe this
> worth considering. Maybe there is a reason ARIN doesn't do this..?
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