[arin-discuss] ARIN billing practice
ndavis at arin.net
Mon Sep 21 13:13:56 EDT 2009
Allow me to shed some light on ARIN's current practice for clarity of the discussion.
ARIN charges new organization's first year initial fees in advance, when the application is approved, but prior to issuance of any Internet Number Resources. Subsequently, ARIN invoices annually based on the anniversary date of an organizations initial allocation/assignment (renewals and/or maintenance). As a result, organizations pay, in advance for one year, for services and use of the Internet Number Resources.
In the event that an organization becomes past due with any invoices, ARIN will begin to seek revocation of these resources after three months. If revoked, ARIN will hold revoked resources for at least one year before reissuing these resources to another organization.
In regard to refunds, per Section 6, part b of ARIN's Registration Service Agreement, "No Refunds. All fees paid to Applicant to ARIN are deemed fully earned upon receipt and are nonrefundable." Therefore ARIN will not refund any portion of a payment.
Chief Operating Officer
The American Registry for Internet Numbers
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Sent: Monday, September 21, 2009 10:30 AM
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Subject: [arin-discuss] ARIN billing practice
I was reading Chris Morrow's comment on Nanog - about spammers..
"The end of the discussion was along the lines of: "Yes, we know this
guy is bad news, but he always comes to us with the proper paperwork and
numbers, there's nothing in the current policy set to deny him address
resources. Happily though he never pays his bill after the first 12
months so we just reclaim whatever resources are allocated then." (yes,
comments about more address space ending up on BL's were made, and that
he probably doesn't pay because after the first 3 months the address
space is 'worthless' to him...)"
..and got to wondering, "Why doesn't ARIN charge first and last years
"rent" on resource allocations?"
If you notify ARIN before your bill is due, that you will be returning
the resource and not renewing, you get a refund. If you don't notify
ARIN and your bill lapses, then ARIN isn't out the money they would have
gotten from you, during the time they hold your resource before/during
revocation for non-payment. (since most folks keep using it, you should
still have to pay for it..)
I'm not claiming this would make the spam thing any better.. just raise
the financial bar, make them have to do work if they want their money
I don't know whether I'm even in favor of this or not.. but just about
every other 'utility' type service has this practice, and maybe this is
worth considering. Maybe there is a reason ARIN doesn't do this..?
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