[arin-discuss] ARIN spammed us with "talk to the hand" ?

[Olivier Contant]

Hi Everyone,

What about discarding this discussion which lead nowhere. If you want to
complaint about the legitimate of this email, what about going to the next
ARIN meeting and discuss about it with the right people. How many of you
will attend the meeting? My point is: arguing about an email sent is
pointless and of no importance compare of the real role of ARIN. Focusing on
such small issue will make ARIN unable to go anywhere. I speak about the
meeting because I feel people would not argue about this in a meeting
because they would feel it is of no importance compare to other topic. 

For now on, your discussion is flooding a great number of mailbox and were
much more annoying than the simple ARIN email "whatever how useful it was".
Remind yourself that you are sending to a mailing list and that means you
are sending to everyone.

If you wish to reply to someone, do not reply all, this is a matter of
opinion between 2 people not everyone from this mailing list. If you feel
this should be read by everyone, ensure that your subject is useful to other
than your own ego of arguing you're right and other are wrong.

Without willing to be rude and sorry if I were, I would like to suggest to
discuss about a way to help people rather than arguing if ARIN were right or
not to send this email.


Like the latest post of Ted, throwing idea of how we could handle dirty ip
range is a much better idea of discussion.  



Regards,

Olivier





-----Original Message-----
From: arin-discuss-bounces at arin.net [mailto:arin-discuss-bounces at arin.net]
On Behalf Of Ted Mittelstaedt
Sent: 27 février 2009 13:29
To: 'Jo Rhett'; arin-discuss at arin.net
Subject: Re: [arin-discuss] ARIN spammed us with "talk to the hand" ?

 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: arin-discuss-bounces at arin.net 
> [mailto:arin-discuss-bounces at arin.net] On Behalf Of Jo Rhett
> Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 5:35 PM
> To: arin-discuss at arin.net
> Subject: [arin-discuss] ARIN spammed us with "talk to the hand" ?
> 
> Can someone explain to me why ARIN spammed all of our ARIN 
> contacts (including (A)buse contacts!) with a notice that 
> says "talk to the hand" ?
> 

Why don't you e-mail the author of the e-mail at ARIN and ask?

> 
> If ARIN can not and will not do anything to contact these 
> parties and get it resolved, why does it send a notice 
> telling us with this? 

This is an extreme simplification of a complex issue.
ARIN is US and will do anything WE want.  If you want ARIN to
start mediating then SUBMIT A POLICY MODIFICATION.

Once we are post-IPv4 runout, all new IPv4 assignments will
be "dirty" and I imagine this issue will become more serious.
I would in fact support a complaint mechanism at ARIN that would
be specifically for handling complaints about "dirty" address
assignments.  It's too bad that nobody thought to design one
and make participation in it a prerequisite of obtaining
IP addresses, back in the olden days.  But that doesen't mean
that we can't start doing it now.

Ted

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