[arin-discuss] ARIN spammed us with "talk to the hand" ?

[Ted Mittelstaedt]

I disagree.  If you put your e-mail address on a POC with
ARIN then it's public record and if you can't deal with that,
then nobody is holding a gun to your head and forcing you to
get portable number blocks from ARIN.  Get them from one of
your upstream ISPs and let that ISP handle e-mails to the POC
for that block.

You accept some responsibilities when you request and obtain
portable numbers.  One of them is posting an e-mail contact
that people can use to reach you and READING MAIL SENT TO IT.
If you don't like this, well then there's LOTS OF OTHER PEOPLE
out there who want IPv4 and are MORE THAN WILLING to meet this
SIMPLE responsibility.

I have had my personal e-mail address available on various
websites, plus POC's and domain name POCs for years - I use
it in all my public posting, and I have NO PROBLEM dealing with
the spam.  Google it up - I just did and got about 3K responses.
I unconditionally reject the LAME argument that
public e-mail addresses ae not to be mailed to.

This is PART OF YOUR JOB that your employer is paying you
for.  Suck it up and deal with it.  NOBODY is too important to
read a legitimate* e-mail sent to them

Ted

* Legitimate e-mail: NOT containing baldness cures, penis enlargements,
requests for money, get rich quick scams, basically anything that
is trying to get money from you.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: arin-discuss-bounces at arin.net 
> [mailto:arin-discuss-bounces at arin.net] On Behalf Of Pete Templin
> Sent: Friday, February 27, 2009 8:42 AM
> To: Scott Leibrand; Jo Rhett
> Cc: arin-discuss at arin.net
> Subject: Re: [arin-discuss] ARIN spammed us with "talk to the hand" ?
> 
> Scott,
> 
> Regardless of whether the message was reasonable, I think the 
> delivery method was flawed: I think the ARIN-announce mailing 
> list should have been the first method of announcement, and 
> only if the message seemed to fall on deaf ears should it 
> later be distributed to some contacts, not all contacts.  
> Perhaps in doing so, ARIN could have sent it from an address 
> other than do-not-reply at arin.net.
> 
> Pete Templin
>  IP Engineer
> TexLink Communications
> A Pac-West Telecomm, Inc. company
> 
> Tel:    +1 (210) 892-4183
> Fax:   +1 (210) 892-4101
> Main: +1 877 774 4100
> pete.templin at texlink.com
> www.texlink.com
> 
> Parent Company:
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> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: arin-discuss-bounces at arin.net 
> [mailto:arin-discuss-bounces at arin.net] On Behalf Of Scott Leibrand
> Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2009 8:36 PM
> To: Jo Rhett
> Cc: arin-discuss at arin.net
> Subject: Re: [arin-discuss] ARIN spammed us with "talk to the hand" ?
> 
> Jo,
> 
> I was not involved in any discussions around that notice, but 
> when I got it, I interpreted it as saying, "We're aware of a 
> problem, and believe it may affect a lot of you.  We can't 
> fix it for you, but here's what you need to know to get it 
> fixed if you're affected."
> 
> Quite reasonable, IMO.
> 
> -Scott
> 
> Jo Rhett wrote:
> > Can someone explain to me why ARIN spammed all of our ARIN contacts 
> > (including (A)buse contacts!) with a notice that says "talk to the 
> > hand" ?
> >
> >
> >> If you or your peers experience any of these types of 
> problems, you 
> >> are encouraged to contact and work with third-party information 
> >> software vendors and/or the content providers directly to effect 
> >> changes.
> >>
> >
> > If ARIN can not and will not do anything to contact these 
> parties and 
> > get it resolved, why does it send a notice telling us with 
> this?  Next 
> > week will we see a notice that ARIN won't be involved in saving 
> > starving children in Africa?  I imagine that ARIN will be very busy 
> > informing us of every thing it does not plan to work on ... is this 
> > helpful?  Honestly?
> >
> > Entire message below:
> >
> >> Per a request from an ARIN customer, ARIN is sending you 
> this letter 
> >> as a courtesy notification of problems some registrants of 
> >> ARIN-issued
> >> IPv4
> >> addresses have experienced.
> >>
> >> Some geolocation and content providers are misidentifying 
> ARIN-issued 
> >> address space as being outside the ARIN region. Common problems 
> >> experienced by ARIN registrants over the last two years include:
> >>
> >> - search engines misidentifying the addresses as being in South 
> >> America;
> >> - content caching providers sending traffic via nodes in South 
> >> America; and
> >> - e-commerce transactions failing or being delaying due to fraud 
> >> prevention procedures being triggered when the payment processing 
> >> system believes the transaction is originating in South America.
> >>
> >> Registrants have experienced these problems both with new IANA- 
> >> issued /8s (like 173.0.0.0/8 and 174.0.0.0/8) and with /8s 
> which ARIN 
> >> has issued and re-issued over many years (like 63.0.0.0/8).
> >>
> >> If you or your peers experience any of these types of 
> problems, you 
> >> are encouraged to contact and work with third-party information 
> >> software vendors and/or the content providers directly to effect 
> >> changes.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >> Leslie Nobile
> >> Director, Registration Services
> >> American Registry for Internet Numbers
> >>
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