[arin-discuss] pre-ARIN IP allocation legal rights

[Stotyn, Mel]

 Jo Rhett said:
"I wanted to have explicit clarity on what rights these are."

This is probably the crux of the problem. Was their any explicit clarity
on the rights (or responsibilities) for legacy assignments?
A block that I got in December of 1994 from the University of Toronto
(who handled block assignments in Canada at that time) had little legal
language associated with it and what was written was different than what
IANA was saying at the time, which was different than what InterNIC said
under the Versisign registry contract which may have been different from
what the Department of Commerce intended, who was getting advice and
policy development from Jon Postel.

I'm having trouble finding documentation on the assignment. Since there
wasn't really any legalese related to it, we didn't think much about
document management related to the assignment. We just asked for the
block, got one, used it, maintained it, thought of it as "ours"
(whatever that word means) and carried on with our day-to-day work of
figuring out how to run a network with the IP addresses that were handed
to us with little explanation. In a sense, we homesteaded before the
surveyors arrived to put stakes in the ground and we're still figuring
out how to plough around them without digging them up.

Mel Stotyn 
Senior Operations Specialist 
ENMAX Envision Inc. 
mailto:mstotyn at enmax.com 
Phone: 403 514-3443


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[mailto:arin-discuss-bounces at arin.net] On Behalf Of Jo Rhett
Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 12:04 PM
To: Tuc
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Subject: Re: [arin-discuss] pre-ARIN IP allocation legal rights

> lawyers about whats implicit, explicit, inferred, or "No one did 
> anything for such a long time, why now?"
>
> 	The last one sorta is something I wonder. ARIN was established
in 
> December of 1997. Why, 10+ years later, have they decided to start 
> this process? Shouldn't it have been started sometime in 1Q98?
> Theres been 20 some odd ARIN meetings, 8-10 Board of Trustee Meetings 
> a year.

Perhaps there was an assumption that people would do the right thing
without having to be forced?  This used to be a lot more common
behavior.

> I guess I also go back to what was it that made you start this thread?

My only motive is that pretty much every proposal on the table is being
argued about not on the proposals merits, but how it affects non-
signatories.  This issue has become the roadblock for all ongoing
proposals. And lots of people are making all sorts of claims about
rights they would be giving up.  I wanted to have explicit clarity on
what rights these are.

--
Jo Rhett
senior geek

Silicon Valley Colocation
Support Phone: 408-400-0550




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