[arin-discuss] Status of Investigations

[Michael Smith]

Hello Mel:

I have to say this one more time.  Dean has engaged legal counsel in  
his complaints to/with ARIN and has prefaced all of his emails to this  
list with a discovery preamble such that any responses can be used as  
part of his claims.  As such, I don't think any of these discussions  
are now appropriate for this or any list, regardless of whether they  
were before.  Once you bring in the lawyers, it is up to them to come  
to terms.

Regards,

Michael Smith - CISSP, GISP
Adhost Internet LLC
mksmith at adhost.com


On Jan 4, 2008, at 3:48 PM, Stotyn, Mel wrote:

>
> I disagree with both Jeff and Chad regarding their criticism of Dean  
> and
> the appropriateness of his discussion.
>
> Jeff:
> I don't think that you can realistically claim to know what Dean  
> does or
> doesn't care about nor what he really wants. I interpret differently
> than you. To me, Dean appears to have more than one concern, not just
> the legacy issue but also the propriety of ARIN's finances and the
> oversight provided by it's board members. It does seem possible to me
> that Dean could have more than one concern at a time. For you to clip
> out one of several of Dean's examples of possible impropriety, and  
> them
> claim to know that the phrase "Legacy RSA" within that clip is really
> his only concern, is both unfair and perhaps a little inflammatory.
>
> Chad:
> I think that Dean's requests for information from ARIN, to verify his
> concerns, is appropriate and not innuendo. The lack of cogent  
> responses
> has been the biggest problem for me while "listening in". Many of the
> responses, from ARIN board members, to his queries have been
> obfuscations, and his attempts to get clear answers has caused  
> increased
> traffic in the discussion, but the root problem is lack of clear,
> informative answers.
>
> Both:
> I think that this current incarnation of the discussion is generally
> both relevant and appropriate for the ARIN-DISCUSS mailing list if we
> are to have enough relevant information to apply to a vote, if that
> finally comes. To be asked to just vote on a recall or to vote
> for/against someone during a normal election without access to any
> information prior to that event, is a waste of any democratic
> responsibility.
>
> The biggest waste of my personal bandwidth is from those who just call
> for shutting down the discussion or those who seem to just enjoy
> throwing gasoline on flames. I don't think that Dean is the flamer,  
> nor,
> lately, the board members who have responded. I would like to see more
> clear, concise, reasoned responses to Dean's questions. Then, I think,
> the thread would seem more worth the time to read it.
>
> Mel Stotyn
> Senior Operations Specialist
> ENMAX Envision Inc.
> mailto:mstotyn at enmax.com
> Phone: 403 514-3443
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: arin-discuss-bounces at arin.net
> [mailto:arin-discuss-bounces at arin.net] On Behalf Of Chad Kissinger
> Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 9:51 AM
> To: Jeff Calvert; arin-discuss at arin.net
> Subject: Re: [arin-discuss] Status of Investigations
>
>
>
> I agree with Jeff.  Dean's got an axe to grind and obviously no bit of
> slime is too insignificant, nor is any innuendo too flimsy for him to
> throw into the fray.  He's lost all credibility with me.  I've had too
> many customers who owed me money that sound just like him squawking
> about any crazy thing they can think of to avoid the real issue...  
> that
> they owe me money.   Dean is doing the same thing... hoping that
> everyone will be either worn out or intimidated by his threats.  I  
> say,
> put up or shut up.  Sue, or make a motion to change something under  
> the
> governing rules of ARIN.
>
> My opinion on the real issue remains:
>
> 1.  ARIN should collect as little money as possible to accomplish its
> core mission.
> 2.  The collections should be spread out evenly amongst the people who
> derive benefit from ARIN's service... i.e. everyone who uses an IP
> address under ARIN's "authority".  Legacy holders included.
>
>
> Onramp Access
> chad kissinger  |  president  |  onramp access, inc.
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> operations  |  built  |  deployed  |  managed
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: arin-discuss-bounces at arin.net
> [mailto:arin-discuss-bounces at arin.net] On Behalf Of Jeff Calvert
> Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 10:11 AM
> To: arin-discuss at arin.net
> Subject: Re: [arin-discuss] Status of Investigations
>
>
>
>> Board member performance is the failure to obtain a legal opinion on
>> the Legacy RSA and the scheme to threaten Legacies with denial of
>> services unless they transferred rights to ARIN through the Legacy
> RSA.
>
> And Dean gets back to his real complaint.  This entire thread is a red
> herring.  Dean doesn't care about 10 year old lawsuits, NANOG
> attendance, marketing budgets, or recall elections.  Dean wants to the
> Legacy IP allocation policy to remain unchanged, and he will  
> continue to
> harass the ARIN board until he gets his way.
>
>
> Jeff Calvert
> Network Administrator
>
> E: jcalvert at cyrusone.com
> W: www.cyrusone.com
>
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