[arin-discuss] [ppml] Counsel statement on Legacy assignments?

[Jeremy Anthony Kinsey]

On Oct 9, 2007, at 1:06 PM, Keith W. Hare wrote:

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>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: arin-discuss-bounces at arin.net
>> [mailto:arin-discuss-bounces at arin.net] On Behalf Of Jeremy
>> Anthony Kinsey
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 12:07 PM
>> To: arin-discuss at arin.net
>> Subject: Re: [arin-discuss] [ppml] Counsel statement on
>> Legacy assignments?
>>
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>>>
>>> Much of the discussion of the "Counsel statement on Legacy
>>> assignments"
>>> assumes that legacy address holders have not been paying their fair
>>> share of something.  However, I have never received any
>> communication
>>> from ARIN inviting me to pay for something relative my
>> legacy address.
>>
>> And that is what we are all discussing..    Many of us feel everyone
>> should have to pay.  Legacy or not...
>
> Actually, most of the conversations boil down to "lets hang the legacy
> address holders high because they have not paid their fair share."  My
> point is that ARIN has never asked legacy address holders to pay.
>

Agreed.. I understand where you are coming from.. I'm not asking  
anyone to be punished for policy that was in place previously.. All I  
am suggesting is that legacy holders now be required to pay.. You may  
find many of them returning space that they do not use as a result.
>
> ARIN has never asked for anything, so I've never paid anything.
> Therefore, I've paid everything that ARIN has ever asked.

Again, understood..
>
>>>
>
> The fee schedule is almost clear.  However, there are no directions
> telling me how to go about asking ARIN to send me a bill for the  
> legacy
> address range I have.

I doubt anyone would want to proactively ask for a bill that no one  
is even sure is valid... It's kinda hard to pay for something without  
an invoice, as you have indicated.  Until ARIN actually requests  
payment, like you said, you have no reason to pay.
>>>
>
> Actually, almost everytime this topic has come up in the last 5-6
> months, it has devolved into how to deny services to legacy holders
> because they haven't signed an RSA or paid anything.

Argh.. I don't feel this is the solution... The solution is to  
establish a policy where by a fee schedule is applied to current  
legacy holders starting at X.. Not suggesting denying services,  
shutting them down, or doing this proactively, just beginning at some  
point, say Jan 1.
>
> My point is that there is not yet a process in place (or if there  
> is, it
> is not documented on the web page) for a legacy address holder to sign
> an RSA and pay fees for existing address space.

Perhaps that is something that the board needs to establish/focus on  
moving forward.


Regards,
Jeremy Anthony Kinsey
  e-mail: jer at mia.net
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