[arin-discuss] [ppml] Counsel statement on Legacyassignments?(fwd)

Fri Oct 5 13:07:04 EDT 2007

I agree completely. It's ridiculous and should be changed.

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David Picard wrote:
> I agree with this.
>
> Same thing for me...
>
> Large cables operators in Quebec have a lot of Class B and they offer as may
> ip as customers wants...
> I cannot do this...
>
>
> David Picard
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> -----Message d'origine-----
> De : arin-discuss-bounces at arin.net
> [mailto:arin-discuss-bounces at arin.net]De la part de Thomas Leonard
> Envoye : 5 octobre 2007 09:56
> A : 'Dean Anderson'; arin-discuss at arin.net
> Objet : Re: [arin-discuss] [ppml] Counsel statement on
> Legacyassignments?(fwd)
>
>
> I happen to agree with the ARIN attorney.  Why should legacy customers get a
> free ride.  We pay significantly more for our
> allotment, so should they.  If they paid a fair price, all of our prices
> would be reduced.
>
> In my geographical area it's becoming critical as a local competitor has a
> legacy class B and can give away IP addresses as if
> they're water.  I can not and they have an unfair competitive advantage.
>
> We should all be treated the same.
>
> Thomas Leonard
> LANline Communications, Inc.
> 48 Mamaroneck Ave. STE 32
> White Plains, NY 10601
> 914-397-0500
> -----Original Message-----
> From: arin-discuss-bounces at arin.net [mailto:arin-discuss-bounces at arin.net]
> On Behalf Of Dean Anderson
> Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 11:31 PM
> To: arin-discuss at arin.net
> Subject: Re: [arin-discuss] [ppml] Counsel statement on Legacy
> assignments?(fwd)
>
> Holy context batman, that is quite a bit different than your statement.
>
> You also cut off the part where he says he hasn't thought about it much,
> and the part where he notes 'the government gave away something without
> any strings attached'.  That is an agreement with the government. So Mr.
> Ryan appears to have mis-spoken about some lack of agreement between the
> government and legacy holders.
>
> And you left off the part about:
>
> "I've thought about whether I could ask the United States Congress for
> authority to have the government obtain back that which the government
> gave. I don't know if that's constitutional, actually. I mean, I've
> started to play with different theories here."
>
> So the answer is that the ARIN Lawyer doesn't know.  ARIN hasn't offered
> any definitive opinion as you assert.
>
> Please tell the IETF you were wrong.
>
>                 --Dean
>
>
> On Thu, 4 Oct 2007, Stephen Sprunk wrote:
>
>   
>> Thus spake "Dean Anderson" <dean at av8.com>
>>     
>>> "Counsel recently made a statement that it doesn't appear that
>>> ARIN has any legal obligation to maintain registry services for
>>> legacy assignments"
>>>
>>> Where is this counsel statement?
>>>       
>>     
> http://www.arin.net/meetings/minutes/ARIN_XIX/ppm1_transcript.html#anchor_13
>   
>> "MR. RYAN: I've thought a little bit about what a stick might look like
>> here. So for example, it's very clear to me that denial of service by ARIN
>> is legally permitted. In other words, I don't believe we, as the
>>     
> non-profit
>   
>> trying to carry out the community's wishes, have a duty to provide free
>> services for legacy address holders. And the denial of those free services
>> to legacy address holders pursuant to their lack of agreement is perfectly
>> permitted, in my judgment, as a matter of law."
>>
>> S
>>
>> Stephen Sprunk         "God does not play dice."  --Albert Einstein
>> CCIE #3723         "God is an inveterate gambler, and He throws the
>> K5SSS        dice at every possible opportunity." --Stephen Hawking
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>     
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