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I agree completely. It's ridiculous and should be changed.<br>
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Steven P Raposo<br>
Special Accounts Manager<br>
19th Floor Inc. (<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://19thfloor.net">http://19thfloor.net</a>) <br>
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David Picard wrote:
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<pre wrap="">I agree with this.
Same thing for me...
Large cables operators in Quebec have a lot of Class B and they offer as may
ip as customers wants...
I cannot do this...
David Picard
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De : <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:arin-discuss-bounces@arin.net">arin-discuss-bounces@arin.net</a>
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:arin-discuss-bounces@arin.net">mailto:arin-discuss-bounces@arin.net</a>]De la part de Thomas Leonard
Envoye : 5 octobre 2007 09:56
A : 'Dean Anderson'; <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:arin-discuss@arin.net">arin-discuss@arin.net</a>
Objet : Re: [arin-discuss] [ppml] Counsel statement on
Legacyassignments?(fwd)
I happen to agree with the ARIN attorney. Why should legacy customers get a
free ride. We pay significantly more for our
allotment, so should they. If they paid a fair price, all of our prices
would be reduced.
In my geographical area it's becoming critical as a local competitor has a
legacy class B and can give away IP addresses as if
they're water. I can not and they have an unfair competitive advantage.
We should all be treated the same.
Thomas Leonard
LANline Communications, Inc.
48 Mamaroneck Ave. STE 32
White Plains, NY 10601
914-397-0500
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From: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:arin-discuss-bounces@arin.net">arin-discuss-bounces@arin.net</a> [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:arin-discuss-bounces@arin.net">mailto:arin-discuss-bounces@arin.net</a>]
On Behalf Of Dean Anderson
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 11:31 PM
To: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:arin-discuss@arin.net">arin-discuss@arin.net</a>
Subject: Re: [arin-discuss] [ppml] Counsel statement on Legacy
assignments?(fwd)
Holy context batman, that is quite a bit different than your statement.
You also cut off the part where he says he hasn't thought about it much,
and the part where he notes 'the government gave away something without
any strings attached'. That is an agreement with the government. So Mr.
Ryan appears to have mis-spoken about some lack of agreement between the
government and legacy holders.
And you left off the part about:
"I've thought about whether I could ask the United States Congress for
authority to have the government obtain back that which the government
gave. I don't know if that's constitutional, actually. I mean, I've
started to play with different theories here."
So the answer is that the ARIN Lawyer doesn't know. ARIN hasn't offered
any definitive opinion as you assert.
Please tell the IETF you were wrong.
--Dean
On Thu, 4 Oct 2007, Stephen Sprunk wrote:
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<pre wrap="">Thus spake "Dean Anderson" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:dean@av8.com"><dean@av8.com></a>
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<pre wrap="">"Counsel recently made a statement that it doesn't appear that
ARIN has any legal obligation to maintain registry services for
legacy assignments"
Where is this counsel statement?
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<pre wrap=""><!----><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.arin.net/meetings/minutes/ARIN_XIX/ppm1_transcript.html#anchor_13">http://www.arin.net/meetings/minutes/ARIN_XIX/ppm1_transcript.html#anchor_13</a>
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<pre wrap="">"MR. RYAN: I've thought a little bit about what a stick might look like
here. So for example, it's very clear to me that denial of service by ARIN
is legally permitted. In other words, I don't believe we, as the
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<pre wrap="">trying to carry out the community's wishes, have a duty to provide free
services for legacy address holders. And the denial of those free services
to legacy address holders pursuant to their lack of agreement is perfectly
permitted, in my judgment, as a matter of law."
S
Stephen Sprunk "God does not play dice." --Albert Einstein
CCIE #3723 "God is an inveterate gambler, and He throws the
K5SSS dice at every possible opportunity." --Stephen Hawking
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