[ARIN-consult] [arin-announce] ACSP Consultation 2021.5: Consultation on ARIN’s Membership Structure
Mike Burns
mike at iptrading.com
Thu Oct 28 19:17:15 EDT 2021
Hi John,
Fair enough.
See you in Minneapolis.
Regards,
Mike
---- On Thu, 28 Oct 2021 19:13:10 -0400 John Curran <jcurran at arin.net> wrote ----
Mike -
My request to focus on the membership structure change aspects was simply in response to the more general election process questions you raised about the NomCom function, its power to exclude candidates, and approaches used in other organizations…
all wonderful questions, but I ask that you bring them up during an open microphone session at the ARIN member meeting or once the forthcoming consultation on election process improvements is issued.
Thanks!
/John
John Curran
President and CEO
American Registry for Internet Numbers
On 28 Oct 2021, at 6:58 PM, Mike Burns <mailto:mike at iptrading.com> wrote:
Hi John,
Sorry, I didn't realize that certain parts of the changed document were circumscribed as not commentable.
I figured anything in blue was fair game.
What happens to the petition count in the immediate years after the changes to membership?
Are the new members counted towards the 2%, or only after they become General members by voting?
In year one, year two?
Regards,
Mike
---- On Thu, 28 Oct 2021 18:53:16 -0400 John Curran <mailto:jcurran at arin.net> wrote ----
Mike -
For this consultation, please focus on the proposed membership changes. I believe it is clear that you are against the floor on petition threshold included in these bylaw changes, but what about the main membership changes being proposed (bringing
end-users into membership, and having all members vote at least once every three to maintain General Member status) - what are your views on that, and/or are there any other aspects of it that you feel need to be changed?
Thanks!
/John
John Curran
President and CEO
American Registry for Internet Numbers
On 28 Oct 2021, at 6:46 PM, Mike Burns <mailto:mike at iptrading.com> wrote:
Hi John,
I understand the desire to anticipate lots of new general members, but this is still a change that works in the opposite direction of what is called for.
We shouldn't even need a petition process, it's been rarely utilized, and today we have the shining example of two excluded, but qualified Board candidates.
I still have yet to hear anybody tell me why the NomCom should have the power to exclude qualified candidates.
Nor why the more open and inclusive RIPE method shouldn't be adopted here.
We've had multiple people indicate the real historic need for the NomCom is in finding candidates, let them stick to that.
Adding larger petition requirements is tone deaf.
Regards,
Mike
---- On Thu, 28 Oct 2021 17:38:09 -0400 John Curran <mailto:jcurran at arin.net> wrote ----
Mike -
To be clear, the most recent petition process had a threshold of 124 members (based on 2% of the 6183 eligible general members at election cutoff) – the proposed bylaw language would have had no effect since it simply sets a minimum of 100 for
such a process.
The reason for inclusion of this language is because we do not know what the long-term general member count will be and felt that a modest floor was a reasonable precaution. While we’re making it possible for more than 7000 end-user organizations
to now also become general members and participate in the election, we may see some attrition of existing general members population (i.e. those who don’t tend to vote in ARIN’s elections.)
Due to this uncertainty of the long-term general member count, it appeared prudent to provide a minimum for this petition requirement even if never needed.
I hope this helps clarify the reasoning behind the proposed text – there was no intent to “make petitions harder” and it would be non-operative language if participation levels continue at present levels.
Thanks,
/John
John Curran
President and CEO
American Registry for Internet Numbers
On 28 Oct 2021, at 5:05 PM, Mike Burns <mailto:mike at iptrading.com> wrote:
I oppose the language requiring a minimum of 100 votes for a successful petition and I suggest the number of votes required for a successful petition be lowered significantly, given the paltry number of participants on the ARIN lists and the abbreviated timeframe
for acquiring signatures. We are in a time where the NomCom is being questioned severely, and when not one, but two successful petitions have just completed. That’s two black eyes for the NomCom, why in the world would we be making petitions harder at this
time?
Regards,
Mike
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Subject: [arin-announce] ACSP Consultation 2021.5: Consultation on ARIN’s Membership Structure
The
purpose of this consultation is to provide our customers ARIN’s plan for membership going forward and to seek feedback on planned changes to ARIN’s membership structure for 2022.
With
the change to a single fee schedule in 2022 (fee harmonization) for end user and ISP organizations, ARIN wishes to open up participation in ARIN governance to end user organizations that were previously unable to vote in ARIN elections. When the end user organizations
are transitioned to the Registration Services Plan, they will be made Service Members of ARIN. This category is an addition to the existing membership categories. The addition of a new membership category requires a modification to the Bylaws, linked below.
The
distinguishing characteristic between Service and General Member categories is related to the commitment to vote in ARIN’s elections. Any Service Member organization may apply to become a General Member by submitting a request and meeting the General Member
criteria.
General
members (whether existing or new ones who were previously end user organizations and opted to become General Members) must participate in ARIN Elections to maintain their status. Following the 2023 ARIN annual election and each election thereafter, General
Members that did not cast a ballot in any of the previous three ARIN elections will become Service Members and will not be eligible to apply for General Member status until after the coming year.
Please
view the proposed related Bylaws changes at: https://arin.net/participate/oversight/membership/bylaws_redline_102821.pdf
You
may also review a more detailed description of the proposed 2022 Membership categories and related FAQ at: https://arin.net/participate/oversight/membership/index2022/
This
consultation will remain open for 15 days, after which a summary will be provided to the Board of Trustees for their consideration. This proposed change to ARIN’s bylaws may be implemented independently or in addition to any other bylaw changes approved by
the Board (including consultation if necessary) in accordance with the bylaws.
Please
provide comments to mailto:arin-consult at arin.net. You can subscribe to
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Discussion on mailto:arin-consult at arin.net will
close on 12 November 2021.
Regards,
John Curran
President and CEO
American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN)
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