[ARIN-consult]     [arin-announce] ACSP Consultation 2021.5: Consultation on ARIN’s Membership Structure

Mike Burns mike at iptrading.com
Thu Oct 28 19:09:50 EDT 2021

Hi John,

Thank you, that is helpful information.

I still object to the additional language specifying a minimum for the petition, insofar as this relates to the change in membership situation I would like that objection recorded.

On the issue at hand, the membership structure changes, I will listen for a while as I don't fee qualified to opine.



---- On Thu, 28 Oct 2021 19:05:50 -0400 John Curran <jcurran at arin.net> wrote ----

Mike -  

We do not know how many of the 7000 end-users will opt for general membership - I suspect a few end-user participants on this list will do so, and perhaps several hundred more (e.g. 300 to 500) 

Of our existing general membership, it is estimated that only about 1200 or so organizations have voted in one of the past three elections.   If that is indicative of the 2021 - 2022 - 2023 election period, then in 2024 we would see many of the
 existing general members recategorized as service members and end up with a general membership of 1500 or so (300 + 1200 = 1500)

2% of 1500 is 30, so that could easily be the 2024 petition threshold absent the “100 minimum” language.   Realistically though, all of those who might participate in a petition then would be the same as the community today (or even larger given
 the end-users who consciously decide to become general members), and a petition threshold of 124 was satisfied by two candidates in the present election.   

Our petition threshold is set as a percentage of general members, so the moment that the general member count becomes reflective of the actively involved community rather than just the count of ISPs in ARIN, then the 2% petition threshold will
 drop – and this despite the fact that the active community will be the same size as today or even larger. 

Best wishes,/John

John Curran

President and CEO

American Registry for Internet Numbers

On 28 Oct 2021, at 6:50 PM, Mike Burns <mailto:mike at iptrading.com> wrote:

Hi John,

Not to mention that if the general membership grows, so does the already-too-high petition requirement, so why include the minimum language?


---- On Thu, 28 Oct 2021 18:46:29 -0400  Mike Burns <mailto:mike at iptrading.com> wrote ----

Hi John,

I understand the desire to anticipate lots of new general members, but this is still a change that works in the opposite direction of what is called for.

We shouldn't even need a petition process, it's been rarely utilized, and today we have the shining example of two excluded, but qualified Board candidates.

I still have yet to hear anybody tell me why the NomCom should have the power to exclude qualified candidates.

Nor why the more open and inclusive RIPE method shouldn't be adopted here.

We've had multiple people indicate the real historic need for the NomCom is in finding candidates, let them stick to that.

Adding larger petition requirements is tone deaf.



---- On Thu, 28 Oct 2021 17:38:09 -0400 John Curran <mailto:jcurran at arin.net> wrote ----

Mike - 

To be clear, the most recent petition process had a threshold of 124 members (based on 2% of the 6183 eligible general members at election cutoff) – the proposed bylaw language would have had no effect since it simply sets a minimum of 100 for
 such a process. 

The reason for inclusion of this language is because we do not know what the long-term general member count will be and felt that a modest floor was a reasonable precaution.   While we’re making it possible for more than 7000 end-user organizations
 to now also become general members and participate in the election, we may see some attrition of existing general members population (i.e. those who don’t tend to vote in ARIN’s elections.)

Due to this uncertainty of the long-term general member count, it appeared prudent to provide a minimum for this petition requirement even if never needed. 

I hope this helps clarify the reasoning behind the proposed text – there was no intent to “make petitions harder” and it would be non-operative language if participation levels continue at present levels.



John Curran

President and CEO

American Registry for Internet Numbers

On 28 Oct 2021, at 5:05 PM, Mike Burns <mailto:mike at iptrading.com> wrote:

I oppose the language requiring a minimum of 100 votes for a successful petition and I suggest the number of votes required for a successful petition be lowered significantly, given the paltry number of participants on the ARIN lists and the abbreviated timeframe
 for acquiring signatures. We are in a time where the NomCom is being questioned severely, and when not one, but two successful petitions have just completed. That’s two black eyes for the NomCom, why in the world would we be making petitions harder at this




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 purpose of this consultation is to provide our customers ARIN’s plan for membership going forward and to seek feedback on planned changes to ARIN’s membership structure for 2022.

 the change to a single fee schedule in 2022 (fee harmonization) for end user and ISP organizations, ARIN wishes to open up participation in ARIN governance to end user organizations that were previously unable to vote in ARIN elections. When the end user organizations
 are transitioned to the Registration Services Plan, they will be made Service Members of ARIN. This category is an addition to the existing membership categories. The addition of a new membership category requires a modification to the Bylaws, linked below.

 distinguishing characteristic between Service and General Member categories is related to the commitment to vote in ARIN’s elections. Any Service Member organization may apply to become a General Member by submitting a request and meeting the General Member

 members (whether existing or new ones who were previously end user organizations and opted to become General Members) must participate in ARIN Elections to maintain their status. Following the 2023 ARIN annual election and each election thereafter, General
 Members that did not cast a ballot in any of the previous three ARIN elections will become Service Members and will not be eligible to apply for General Member status until after the coming year.

 view the proposed related Bylaws changes at: https://arin.net/participate/oversight/membership/bylaws_redline_102821.pdf

 may also review a more detailed description of the proposed 2022 Membership categories and related FAQ at: https://arin.net/participate/oversight/membership/index2022/

 consultation will remain open for 15 days, after which a summary will be provided to the Board of Trustees for their consideration. This proposed change to ARIN’s bylaws may be implemented independently or in addition to any other bylaw changes approved by
 the Board (including consultation if necessary) in accordance with the bylaws.

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John Curran

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American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN)







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