[ARIN-consult] What do the ASN fees go to?

[Adam Thompson]

Steven, that feels like a deliberate mis-characterization to me. 

You're right, you are not guaranteed to receive service, in much the
same way you are not guaranteed to receive a payout from your car
insurance if you don't have an accident.  Or that you aren't guaranteed
to watch CBS content even though it's included in your cable bundle:
you're paying for (among other things) the right to access it on demand.


As far as I know, however, paying your fee _does_ guarantee that ARIN
services will be available to you if and/or when you need or want it. 

We pay for many, many things where we do not always take full advantage
of the service we're paying for, because the provider has fixed costs
regardless.  Your local cableco charges a fixed amount for packages,
regardless of which channels in that package you watch.  When you stay
in a hotel, you pay the same fee regardless of whether you spend 10
minutes in the room, or 16 hours.  Both examples, like ARIN, are where
there are fixed costs to providing you *any service at all*, so the
consumer is expected to defray those.  (Insurance isn't so much a
fixed-cost example, rather it's a "mutual" or "pool", but it works out
much the same in the end.) 

I don't see how this is substantially different from any other provider
with fixed costs - we shoulder their entire cost, we don't get to pick
and choose.  Where we do get to, the overhead is then baked into each
and every price, and each and every one of us gets a raw deal.  I
shudder to think what per-second hotel billing would look like. 

-Adam Thompson
 athompso at athompso.net 

On 2021-05-10 12:43, Steve Noble wrote:

> John Curran wrote on 5/10/21 9:47 AM:
> 
> Steve -  
> 
> As noted earlier, ARIN provides many operational services for all of the resources in the registry - and these services are provided even for number resources that have no requests pending or when there are requests pending to change information but that lack proper documentation.  
> 
> The consultation that is now underway is with regard to a fee change proposal that does not change the maintenance fees for ASN's (although it will make them go away for many end-user customers with IPv4 or IPv6 holdings due to their migration to the Registration Services Plan with ASN registry services already included :-)

Hi John,

Since paying the fees does not guarantee that you will receive service,
it seems clear that the fees should be based on usage, not on resources.
 If ARIN does not provide the services, then the fee should be reduced
or removed.

-- 
Thank you,
Steven 
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