[ARIN-consult] Reminder: Consultation on Increasing the size of the ARIN Board of Trustees

[John Comfort]

John Springer, lack of evidence doesn't equate to self-evidence.  The
self-evidence of Diversity is that is is a political agenda antithetical to
a free and open market.  Mike and Bill have asked for evidence, to which
you have not provided.

Opening up the board to additional members for diversity of *opinion* is
one thing.  But political Diversity, to which you speak of, is a communist
ideal injecting subjectivity into objectivity based on socio-economic
characteristics, not on merit.

Are you postulating that the current board are racists bigots in need of
repair?

John




On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 3:51 PM, William Herrin <bill at herrin.us> wrote:

> On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 6:45 PM, John Springer <3johnl at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Enough of the objections to the proposal rely on the notion that
>> diversity is bad until proven good
>>
>
> Hi John,
>
> I hope you don't mean my objections because if you do then you haven't
> understood a thing I've written.
>
> Regards,
> Bill
>
>
>
>> that I feel I can avoid much reduction in detail simply by disagreeing
>> with that.
>>
>> I hope the BoT won't be distracted by this notion. I feel that
>> diversity's worth is self evident. I think this proposal is a step in the
>> right direction. I understand that not all feel the same.
>>
>> John Springer
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 9, 2017 at 11:50 AM, William Herrin <bill at herrin.us> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>> > whomever it wants to meet that need.
>>>>
>>>> > I don’t know what could be “assured” to be “fairer” than that.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It's called "the tyranny of the majority."
>>>>
>>>> Even weirder than that, although I couldn't find a breakdown of members
>>>> by country, I wonder whether Canada is disproportionately represented: 3 of
>>>> 6 elected Board Members are Canadian.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Not sure if it's Mike or Lee talking there, but on your way to that
>>> query you made a classic ass-u-me. ARIN members by country? Members? Does
>>> ARIN manage IP addresses in trust for the members? Why not the general
>>> population of the region served? Or the Internet-connected device owners
>>> within the region served? Or the ARIN registrants?
>>>
>>> I'm here to tell you that the diversity among ARIN's membership is much
>>> smaller than the diversity among ARIN registrants which in turn is much
>>> smaller than the diversity among owners of Internet-connected devices.
>>> Which diversity would you have the board reflect?
>>>
>>> By the general population measure, Canada is grossly overrepresented on
>>> the Board. They have nearly an order of magnitude more representation than
>>> they should have.
>>>
>>> The whole concept of diversity here is fraught with pitfalls. That's OK,
>>> if we decide diversity is valuable we can hash it out. But we're talking
>>> about expanding the board as a specific measure in support of a diversity
>>> we haven't successfully defined. IMO that puts the cart so far ahead of the
>>> horse that it can't even see the horse any more.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Bill Herrin
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>
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