[ARIN-consult] [ARIN-Suggestions] New ACSP SUGGESTION 2014.7: TERM LIMITS FOR ARIN ADVISORY COUNCIL

Sat Mar 29 04:24:02 EDT 2014

David,

Please be careful not to mischaracterize what I wrote. Nowhere in my email did i suggest any change to policy outside my support of term limits. 

Thanks in advance,

Jesse

On Mar 28, 2014, at 4:20 PM, David Farmer <farmer at umn.edu> wrote:

> My primary point was that term limits may or may not be a good thing.  I provided a best case scenario that people who are supporting term limits hope happens and a worst case scenario that people who are not supporting term limits are worried could happen, both are possible, neither are really likely.  Which is why I'm neutral on the concept of term limits, in the end it is probably just change for the sake of change.  I neither fundamentally support or oppose term limits, I'm happy to go with the flow.  But, I think a one year ineligibility period is more than sufficient to obtain the desired effect of term limits.
> 
> Jesse seems to want to see change in the overall policy framework. Changing a few people on the AC really will not accomplish that.  In a bottom-up consensus based process as the PDP is defined if the AC is doing its job it is following the consensus of the community.  Now the AC probably does and should have a small role in trying to build consensus.  But in the end it needs to listen to the community. Changing a few people on the AC should have only a small effect, if the AC is following the PDP.  Because its the consensus of the community that has to changed, not necessarily the AC.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> On 3/28/14, 16:18 , Jo Rhett wrote:
>> I don’t know what David’s thoughts were, but I wasn’t thinking of
>> “captured” or “bought” — either of which could happen with or without
>> term limits. That isn’t the concern at all.
>> 
>> I’m also unable to parse the syntax of your “vs” statement so I’m not
>> entirely certain what your argument was there.
>> 
>> My experience and reference to e-mail archives also disagrees
>> extensively with your “no one … ever considered” statement. Those have
>> been perpetual discussions in the 18+ years I’ve been paying attention.
>> 
>> On Mar 28, 2014, at 1:51 PM, Jesse Geddis <jesse at la-broadband.com
>> <mailto:jesse at la-broadband.com>> wrote:
>>> I think the idea of people being “captured” and “bought” is a total
>>> red herring. The real issue that I’ve understood from the folks who've
>>> couched the topic of term limits is the need for new ideas and new
>>> faces. I think that is something that is desperately needed as the
>>> policy framework that exists today has not changed since InterNIC
>>> first laid that groundwork in the 70’s-90’s
>>> 
>>> Just 2 elections ago the AC was completely dominated by 2 major
>>> carriers. Typically 5 seats are up for grabs every year. What would
>>> make it more “trivial” were term limits in place vs. knowing 3 years
>>> in advance that a specific seat would be up for re-election? I don’t
>>> see one bit of difference between the two. Whether someone is term
>>> limited or up for re-election they could be just as easily targeted by
>>> an organization. There is nothing we can do about this outside of some
>>> ridiculous campaign finance policy. So far as I know this has *never
>>> happened* nor has anyone presented a suggestion that is has. As it
>>> stands, today, the "super carriers" are already massively advantaged
>>> as far as fees and allocation policy. As far as I can tell up until
>>> earlier this year no one in the BoT or the AC ever considered
>>> fundamentally rethinking the fee structure or the slow start policy of
>>> IP allocation. Is it because the AC and BoT have been bought? I highly
>>> doubt it. so lets stop spinning or wheels on nonsense and try to focus
>>> on actual issues instead of conspiracy theories.
>>> 
>>> Jesse
>>> 
>>> On Mar 28, 2014, at 1:32 PM, Jo Rhett <jrhett at netconsonance.com
>>> <mailto:jrhett at netconsonance.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> On Mar 28, 2014, at 1:27 PM, David Farmer <farmer at umn.edu
>>>> <mailto:farmer at umn.edu>> wrote:
>>>>> I'm neutral on the overall concept of term limits in general.  It
>>>>> could be a highly positive change for the organization, if it brings
>>>>> more diverse participation into the policy process.  However,
>>>>> conversely it could be a highly negative change for the
>>>>> organization, if it leads to more capture of the policy process by
>>>>> large industry players who have a larger pool of candidates to draw
>>>>> from by their pure size of their organizations as people are
>>>>> term-limited of from smaller organizations.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> I am firmly against this proposal for exactly what he said. Currently
>>>> being inside one such organization, it would be trivial for us to
>>>> game the system.
>>>> 
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