[ARIN-consult] [arin-announce] Fee Schedule Change Consultation

Owen DeLong owen at delong.com
Fri Nov 16 10:25:36 EST 2012

It has been brought to my attention that I should make something clear here...

My thoughts on this subject are my own. They do not represent ARIN or the ARIN AC.

The fact that I am a member of the AC does not in any way affect or influence my
statements and nothing I have said is in any way intended to represent the thoughts,
beliefs or opinions of anyone other than myself personally as an individual.


On Nov 15, 2012, at 16:46 , Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com> wrote:

> Then as part of the restructure, let's let those that were suckered into signing
> LRSAs thinking:
> 	A) Fees wouldn't be rapidly increased on us and probably wouldn't be
> 		increased other than incremental cost adjustments.
> 	B) It didn't make much difference since it was part of the $100 we were
> 		going to be paying for our non-legacy resources anyway.
> For whom this proposal is a complete and abrupt turning of the tables
> opt out of either the fee increase or the LRSA (without de-registration)
> and go back to not having a contract and continuing to enjoy the free
> ride.
> Sorry, but as far as I'm concerned, the current state of the current proposal
> is ARIN picking a fight with the legacy holders that fell for the LRSA.
> Owen
> On Nov 15, 2012, at 15:35 , John Springer <springer at inlandnet.com> wrote:
>> Hi Bill,
>> On Thu, 15 Nov 2012, William Herrin wrote:
>>> On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 4:31 PM, Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com> wrote:
>>>> On Nov 15, 2012, at 13:12 , William Herrin <bill at herrin.us> wrote:
>>>>> 2. Don't refuse to interact with a registrant on matters unrelated to
>>>>> the legacy registration. Tell a legacy registrant he can't have IPv6
>>>>> addresses unless he first signs over his IPv4 addresses and you make
>>>>> that registrant's choice an easy one: no IPv6 this year.
>>>> Agreed, but, I would say do not issue additional ASN or IPv4 resources
>>>> without first resolving the fee and contract issue on the existing resources.
>>> Unless there's a much better reason than "waah, those guys are still
>>> getting the free ride we promised them 15 years ago," I'd say: let
>>> sleeping giants lie. ARIN has important fights to win for us, against
>>> governments who want to do asinine things with Internet management.
>>> Why pick an extra fight with the legacy registrants?
>> Amen! Let's not.
>> John Springer
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