[ARIN-consult] [arin-announce] Fee Schedule Change Consultation

Brian Johnson bjohnson at drtel.com
Wed Nov 14 10:52:45 EST 2012


I'm not sure what you really expect to happen here. Do we give away services to everyone so that they are the same as legacy holders... that doesn't work. Do we start charging legacy holders for their resources without an agreement from them... I can feel the lawyers prepping papers right now.

I will note that my understanding is that legacy holders will need to sign some kind of (L)RSA to get v6 space. They will then need to justify their assignment (at least the IPv6 assignment) to get space. Possibly they would have to "back justify" their legacy space? Maybe this is a way we can limp along with V4 longer?

I think that I would like ARIN to avoid legal issues when possible. I'm not sure if ARIN counsel would want to chime in on sending bills to legacy space holders who have not signed an agreement with ARIN. This may help me in my processing of this topic.

- Brian J.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: arin-consult-bounces at arin.net [mailto:arin-consult-
> bounces at arin.net] On Behalf Of Owen DeLong
> Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2012 9:19 AM
> To: John Curran
> Cc: arin-consult at arin.net
> Subject: Re: [ARIN-consult] [arin-announce] Fee Schedule Change
> Consultation
> On Nov 13, 2012, at 19:48 , John Curran <jcurran at arin.net> wrote:
> > On Nov 13, 2012, at 8:31 PM, Jimmy Hess <mysidia at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> The Fee schedule the consultation is about doesn't say legacy holders
> >> are not included -- so it's not a fee schedule question.
> >
> > Agreed.
> >
> > To be clear, the proposed fee schedule has legacy address holders (who
> > have opted to enter an LRSA with ARIN) paying the same fees as end-
> users.
> > Some earlier versions of the LRSA cap any increase in fees to $25/year,
> > and for those cases the fees billed will increase by $25 each year until
> > fee billed matches an end-user with the same quantity of number
> resources.
> Right... As proposed, those of us that agreed to get with the program will be
> unfairly penalized vs. those who have chosen to continue to opt out of the
> ARIN process.
> > ARIN has consistently provided basic registry services for all resource
> > holders in the region, including legacy address block holders without
> > charge, and the proposed revision to the fee schedule would not not alter
> > this practice.
> Exactly... If you continued to ignore ARIN, you continue to get a free ride, but
> if you opted in based, in part, on the theory that your ARIN fees would not
> be unreasonably or rapidly increased, now you get shafted (if the current
> proposal is implemented).
> Owen
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