[ppml] IPv4 Soft Landing - Discussion and Support/Non-SupportRequested
Ted Mittelstaedt
tedm at ipinc.net
Thu Oct 4 19:55:20 EDT 2007
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>-----Original Message----- >From: David Conrad [mailto:drc at virtualized.org] >Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 3:34 PM >To: Ted Mittelstaedt >Cc: Public Policy Mailing List >Subject: Re: [ppml] IPv4 Soft Landing - Discussion and >Support/Non-SupportRequested > > >Ted, > >On Oct 3, 2007, at 1:45 PM, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: >> I am opposed to this policy for the following reasons: >> >> 1) No public mechanism is specified for proof of utilization. >> 2) No mechanism is specified for continuing proof of 100% utilization. > >No mechanism is specified because I assume ARIN staff will use the >same mechanism they use today. > Your ignoring the issue. I will remind you that your in a public forum and if you take shortcuts to respond to criticism of the proposal, it will definitely be voted down as people will rightly conclude that you have not thought things through. This proposal is like the Dutch boy sticking his finger in the dike, and ignoring the real problem which is the water behind the dike is rising because the pumps can't return it back to the sea fast enough. Sure, patching a few holes will reduce the water coming through the dike, but it's not a complete solution. If you really want to keep behind the dike dry, you have to both patch the holes AND beef up the pumps. Your just patching the holes a bit. The "mechanism ARIN uses today" that follows up to be sure that people keep the additional promises of 100% utilization in a year and suchlike, that your proposing, were not designed for your proposal. They were designed for the EXISTING IPv4 justification requirements - which are laxer than yours. They will need to be changed if your proposal were to work. For example, ARIN depends on fees as one of the levers to keep people from requesting a lot of IP numbers then not using them. This works as long as IPv4 is plentiful and not difficult to get. Orgs that request a lot of it then later on find out they don't need so much, have a financial incentive to save money by returning unused IPv4 and thus lowering their yearly fee. The orgs know that since it is plentiful and cheap that if they ever need it again, they can just go back to ARIN and get it again. Your proposal makes IPv4 more difficult to get. Well when you restrict availability of something, you drive up it's value. That's why DeBeers vaults diamonds it pulls out of South Africa. As the monopoly owner of most of the investment grade diamond mines in the world they artificially increase the price of diamonds by restricting their availability. Your proposals drive up the value of IPv4 and thus undercut the financial incentive to return unused IPv4. Now, orgs that get extra IPv4 will look at your proposal and think Gee I better just keep paying the fees on it because if I return it I might not be able to get it back. In order to counteract this side effect, you need increased enforcement of the utilization demands your proposing. This is why when towns and municipalities decrease speed limits on in-town roads that they then increase police presense on those roads. Lowering the speed limit makes the old way of just "trusting drivers to do the right thing" not work anymore. Ted
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