past vs future use

Larry, I have spent most of the last five days looking at these same
issues.  I see some procedural issues that might be made a little clearer.
I see continuing need for the institutionalization of IANA
authority....ASAP.  What I have *not seen* is any shread of evidence of
effort on the part of the big guys to shut the little guys out.  I believe
you are drawing conclusions from the evidence that after, further probing,
turn out to be unjustified.

I do not think you have been irreparably harmed by the refusal of a 19/.
I also do not think that if you come back a year from now there will be
any reason why you should not have been able to show enough growth to get
a 19/.  I also think that as soon as ARIN is up and running....with
members and its own policies, that the allocation policies will likely
change in such a way that you will be able to get a 19/.

my advice is to work on building your network and give these processes
more time to work.

Gordon 'not-a-doormat-of-the-bigboys' Cook

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On Mon, 30 Jun 1997, Larry Vaden wrote:

> At 07:06 AM 6/30/97 -0400, Paul Ferguson wrote:
> >At 10:41 AM 06/29/97 -0500, Larry Vaden wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>More to the point, RB and other powers that be are not proposing that the
> >>big players economize on their use of router slots, which would make room
> >>(if you listen to the limited memory argument) for small multi-homed ISPs.
> >>
> >
> >I think you are missing the point yourself, Larrykins.
> 
> Actually, Paul, what you guys don't like is that I get it.  I get the use
> of diminutive forms of people's names by you and David Conrad, I get the
> "geographical monopoly" stuff from David Conrad and Daniel Kerrenberg, and
> I get that Randy Bush's "plonking" is acceptable in a sideline commentator,
> but insufferable as a representative of ARIN.  
> 
> I'm reminded of Thomas (Tommy to y'all, correct?) Carter's invention of the
> Carterfone, which Bell disallowed to be connected to the network before
> several in or around the discussion were in grade school.  I can't help but
> wonder where we would all be if that use of fear and protectionism (as has
> occurred in this thread) by Bell had not been overturned by the court
> system y'all seem to disdain.  Modems were $1/baud and memory was $1/byte
> if you bought it by the megabyte.
> 
> I would like to see more constructive suggestions about how to deal with
> today's Carterfone case (small multi-homed ISPs).  The question is not
> whether you guys know how to do it, but whether you're willing to permit
> today's Carterfone or you wish to force an industry consolidation and
> thereby get rid of today's Carterfone.
> 
> Those favoring the status quo, complete with continuation of the
> monopolies, might want to read "Cutting the Barbed Wire: Lessons of a
> Reformed Monopolist", a speech given by Robert E. Allen, Chairman and CEO
> of AT&T, at the University of Texas last year. 
> 
> There's a lot of other reading about the historical Carterfone decision
> which might serve to help some of the writers and yes, actors in the legal
> sense, on this mailing list.
> 
> Could we turn to constructive and timely suggestions on how to deal with
> the small, multi-homed ISP, please?  If not, the alternative is to see how
> "Carterfone II" is decided.  I prefer the former over the latter.  Don't you?
> 
>  
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