NAIPR Message

First Hand ARIN Experiences

Mr. Paul Ferguson
CISCO Systems

Dear Mr. Ferguson:

In your letter below, you make several statements which give people
the impression that you have first-hand working knowledge of the
people proposing and backing ARIN.

For the benefit of people reading the list, can you describe how
much experience you have had in applying for IP addresses?
I ask this because in many large companies, like CISCO, these
tasks are handled by a large IS group and are transparent to
their employees.

I also ask these questions because I am concerned that people
like yourself, speaking from a CISCO sponsored podium, can
carry much more weight than the average user. I would like to
make sure that that weight is backed up with "first hand experiences"
and not some impressions you may have gotten at a trade show
or conference.

To illustrate the difference, I suggest that you attend a community
meeting some time where the local police are providing information
about their department and the public services they provide. You
will likely find that they project an image of "professionalism" backed
with strong "personal commitments".

I also suggest that you ride with those same people sometime
while they do their duty and enforce law and order. You might
see a very different picture. You might see a picture you do not
like and others do not like. You will not see it, unless you have
"first hand experiences".

Jim Fleming


Date: Sat, 01 Feb 1997 22:48:52 -0500
To: Dave McClure <aop at>
From: Paul Ferguson <pferguso at CISCO.COM>
Subject: Re: AOP Notification
Cc: "'The Innkeeper'" <the_innkeeper at SOLS.NET>,
        "'sob at'" <sob at NEWDEV.HARVARD.EDU>,
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Mr. McClure,

Since I did not see the original message from Scott Bradner to
this individual come across the list (of course, I may have
missed it, since I've been traveling for the past couple of
weeks), it would imply that you forwarded a private note to
a public forum, which shows a great deal of unprofessionalism.

Also, your assertion that while the members of the initial
Board of Trustees do not directly represent the ISP community,
I would assert that they are wholly competent & knowledgeable
to represent the interests of the Internet community at-large.
They certainly have more-than-adequate historical, technical
and practical experience to do so, and your snide comments
below come off as insulting, to say the least. Nonetheless,
without calling one another silly names, I believe that your
note is a fine example of how you do not completely grasp
the complexities of running a registry, the technical
significance of the registries' impact, nor the professional
and personal commitments these folks have made to the
Internet community.

One might suggest that your continued persistence to
forward messages without significant contributions, to
include viable alternatives, would allow others on this
list to dismiss you as a troublemaker, not a problem solver.

- paul

At 10:12 PM 2/1/97 -0500, Dave McClure wrote:

>We are faced with a situation in which a small number of self-appointed
Internauts -- most of whom do not appear to be major ISPs, and who
represent only an insignificant percentage of the people involved in public
Internet Services -- are attempting to force a proposal which would hijack
and hand absolute control of North American IP addresses to an unknown,
intractable organization which will has no authority to begin with, will
have no responsibility to the Internet industry and will not be monitored
by anyone.

Jim Fleming
Unir Corporation

JimFleming at
JimFleming at unety.s0.g0 (EDNS/IPv8)