[arin-discuss] The joy of SWIPping

Perhaps we need to adapt the Godwin law to include Dean?

As Dean enters the conversation, the likelihood of a lawsuit to be  
threatened or implied approaches infinity, as the usefulness of the  
thread approaches zero?


On May 16, 2008, at 12:57 PM, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote:

>
> I see this discussion has got to the hysterical point.  Whenever
> Dean weighs in on something, you know the thread is exhausted.
>
> Aaron, could you show me in the rules where ARIN requires SWIP
> information to be available to the general public?  Here's what
> I see:
>
> http://www.arin.net/registration/guidelines/ipv4_add_assignment.html
>
> "...Your organization must establish justification for the request.
>
> Requirements for General and Multi-homed Assignments:
> Utilization is a key factor in justifying an additional assignment  
> of IPv4
> address space. You must show exactly how previous address  
> assignments have
> been used and provide details to verify your one-year growth  
> projection. The
> basic criteria are:
>
> 80% utilization of all existing assignments
> 25% utilization of the requested block immediately upon assignment
> 50% utilization of the requested block within one year
> A greater utilization rate may be required based on individual network
> requirements...."
>
>
> Nothing about SWIP there....
>
>
>
> http://www.arin.net/policy/nrpm.html#four23
>
> "...4.2.3. Reassigning Address Space to Customers
> 4.2.3.1. Efficient utilization
> ISPs are required to apply a utilization efficiency criterion in  
> providing
> address space to their customers. To this end, ISPs should have  
> documented
> justification available for each reassignment. ARIN may request this
> justification at any time. ...
>
>
> Nothing mandating SWIP there.....
>
>
> "...4.2.4.1. Utilization percentage (80%)
> ISPs must have efficiently utilized all previous allocations and at
> least....
> ...Assigned: information will be verified via SWIP/RWHOIS and  
> 1c. .....
>
>
> Nothing REQUIRING SWIP there either.  You can use SWIP, or RWHOS or  
> 1c of
> the template, which basically means reporting privately to ARIN
>
>
> In short, there's the answer to your question.
>
> Now here is my $0.02
>
> SWIP and RWHOIS is an optional for ISP's.  The only real requirement  
> is
> veryifying information back to the RIR.  And, once we switch over to
> IPv6 in the future, even that will be unimportant since we have so
> many IP addresses there's little need to be concerned with  
> utilization.
>
> However, accepting traffic from specific networks is ALSO and optional
> from ISPs.
>
> If you as an ISP elect not to publish your assignments via some
> way of me verifying them, then I as an ISP can decide to retaliate
> simply by blocking all traffic from you.
>
> Thus, I see little need to modify the current system.
>
>
> Ted
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: arin-discuss-bounces at arin.net
>> [mailto:arin-discuss-bounces at arin.net] On Behalf Of Aaron Wendel
>> Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 5:39 PM
>> To: arin-discuss at arin.net
>> Subject: [arin-discuss] The joy of SWIPping
>>
>>
>> Is there any way that ARIN accepts SWIPS for dedicated
>> hosting customers without a name and address?  I know they do
>> this for private residences but what about commercial entities?
>>
>> Normally this isn't an issue for us but recently we've had a
>> lot of customers complain about personal information tied to
>> their IP addresses and demand that it be removed.
>>
>> Any suggestions?
>>
>> Aaron
>>
>>
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