[arin-discuss] Status of Investigations

Agreed wholeheartedly. Let Mr. Anderson's lawyers handle his  
grievances against ARIN. This forum is an inappropriate venue.

On Jan 3, 2008, at 7:48 AM, Gilbert T. Gutierrez, Jr. wrote:

> I agree with Chris, this thread has moved from informative to rant/ 
> white
> noise and should be moved somewhere else.
>
> All people involved in this thread, please kindly move it somewhere  
> else.
>
> Regards,
>
> Gilbert T. Gutierrez, Jr.
> Operations Manager
> Phoenix Internet
> 2922 W CLARENDON AVE
> PHOENIX, AZ 85017
> Gilbert.G at phoenixinternet.net
> IM: phxintgilbert
> http://www.phoenixinternet.net
> tel: (602)234-0917x106
> fax: (602)234-0699
>
> ________________________________________
> From: arin-discuss-bounces at arin.net [mailto:arin-discuss-bounces at arin.net 
> ]
> On Behalf Of Brad Belton
> Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 7:26 AM
> To: 'Chris Gettings'; 'Paul Vixie'; arin-discuss at arin.net
> Cc: 'Henry Valentino'
> Subject: Re: [arin-discuss] Status of Investigations
>
> Yes Chris, it is better that you refrain from whining about  
> bandwidth usage
> (personal or otherwise) on a public forum when the obvious and simple
> solution to your problem is to simply unsubscribe.  Save the rest of  
> us from
> your horrific plight…
>
> Webpage?  No need for one as we have clearly demonstrated for the past
> several years.  <grin>
>
> /19 allocation?  You need to do some more homework.
>
> Fat Pipe?  Is that your router or did you settle on the DLink?
>
> Whiny posts like yours deserve to be flamed.  The whiny ones like  
> yourself
> are always first to say they never “stoop” to reply when in fact  
> they are
> always the first to hit the send button.  Your problem, issue or  
> dilemma is
> simply and easily resolved without a public announcement to the rest  
> of us.
> Handle it Chris.
>
> Best,
>
>
>
>
> Brad Belton
> BelWave Communications
> O:  817-737-3124 #101
> F:  817-336-7031
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Chris Gettings [mailto:chris.gettings at videonext.com]
> Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 1:14 AM
> To: Brad Belton; Paul Vixie; arin-discuss at arin.net
> Cc: Henry Valentino
> Subject: Re: [arin-discuss] Status of Investigations
>
> No Brad, I want to listen to the legitimate dialog on the business  
> of ARIN.
> I am entitled to that. I have had my modest allocation since 1994.  
> But the
> guy who keeps complaining about the ARIN management should just sue  
> if he
> has been harmed -- instead of burying the relevant messages for the  
> whole
> group amongst his b.s. This deprives everyone of the use of the group.
>
> I can’t believe I even bothered to reply to the flame I almost never  
> do and
> I apologize.  I’m stooping to the level of those characters I am  
> complaining
> about.  And FYI the the high cost is to my “personal bandwidth” to  
> look at
> the damned messages, not internet bandwidth.  I have a fat pipe and  
> plenty
> of bandwidth for genuine traffic.  But this topic  is like spam and  
> is not
> producing any legitimate traffic for the list and I finally  
> snapped.  How
> long have we ARIN list users been subjected to these messages while  
> reading
> the list in hopes of relevant information?
>
> Brad is your page at www.belwave.com not compatible with Firefox or  
> Safari?
> None of the links for “services” or “support” or “references” or  
> “contact
> us” work.  But maybe I have to use Internet Explorer only?
> I see you have a /19 CIDR, same as me.  How much bandwidth do you  
> have?  I
> see the “Network Status” section of your page at www.belwave.com but  
> the
> source of the page is just static HTML and the green lights that show
> Belwave.com “Network Status” are just permanently green icons
> “/greenlight.gif” which are not really connected to any network  
> reporting
> that I can see.
>
> I have posted the source of your page below where you are “reporting  
> the
> status” of your North and South Fiber Routes.  (I was able to find  
> this with
> the “view source” command in my browsers when nothing I clicked on  
> went
> anywhere. I was amazed that my browser could do this, but it is cool
> software.)
>
> <table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="1" width="99%"  
> id="table40">
>                                                                      
> <tr>
>
>                                                                         < 
> td
> width="33" align="center">
>                                                                         < 
> img
> border="0" src="images/greenlight.gif" width="25" height="25"></td>
>                                                                         < 
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> align="left">
>                                                                         < 
> p
> align="center">
>                                                                         < 
> fon
> t size="1">
>                                                                         Nort
> h
>                                                                         Fibe
> r
>                                                                         Rout
> e</font></td>
>                                                                      
> </tr>
>                                                                      
> <tr>
>
>                                                                         < 
> td
> width="33" align="center">
>                                                                         < 
> img
> border="0" src="images/greenlight.gif" width="25" height="25"></td>
>                                                                         < 
> td
> align="left">
>                                                                         < 
> p
> align="center">
>                                                                         < 
> fon
> t size="1">
>                                                                         Sout
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>                                                                         Fibe
> r
>                                                                         Rout
> e</font></td>
>                                                                      
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>                                                                      
> <tr>
>
>
> I think the problem is that “greenlight.gif” has to actually connect  
> to
> something or it just sits there green all the time no matter what the
> www.belwave.com network is connected to. It seems that people who  
> went there
> thinking they could check the status of belwave.com are led to  
> believe the
> status is just fine, all green — when actually the greenlight.gif  
> means
> nothing at all.  That seems disingenuous to me or maybe I just don’t
> understand how the html stuff works.
>
> I hate to put such a fine point on it for you Brad but those guys  
> really
> should take their dispute elsewhere and I am right to complain about  
> it.
> Thanks, and now I am sorry that everyone on the list had to listen  
> to me
> rant, too.  I feel better though, just not productive.
>
> Best,
>
>
> Christopher Gettings
> Chairman
> VideoNEXT
> 703.489.6781  (mobile)
> 703.657.1204  (direct)
> 703-378-7892  (fax)
> www.videoNext.com
> 888.876.SAFE (24x7 Support)
> chris.gettings at videonext.com
> -- 
>
>
>
>
> On 1/2/08 11:51 PM, "Brad Belton" <brad at belwave.com> wrote:
> Chris,
>
> With all due respect (if deserving) I suggest you unsubscribe if the  
> few
> emails generated by this discussion group is taxing your available
> bandwidth.
>
> Best,
>
>
>
> Brad Belton
> BelWave Communications
> O:  817-737-3124 #101
> F:  817-336-7031
>
>
>
>
> From: arin-discuss-bounces at arin.net [mailto:arin-discuss-bounces at arin.net 
> ]
> On Behalf Of Chris Gettings
> Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 10:20 PM
> To: Paul Vixie; arin-discuss at arin.net
> Cc: Henry Valentino
> Subject: Re: [arin-discuss] Status of Investigations
>
> I think you folks have lost it.  You should just be suing each  
> other.  And
> if there was some grounds (and you were real, mature business  
> people) your
> lawyers you would never let you communicate this way anyway.  Your  
> incessant
> messages are not directed to the purported purpose of this list.  Get
> another one instead.  I subscribed because I simply wanted to  
> understand and
> monitor what was going on with my ARIN allocation and IP addresses.
>
> Ah! Perhaps you are trying to drive the rest of us away as part of the
> conspiracy...and what is that “answer under separate cover” nonsense?
>  That’s a smoking gun for sure....
>
> Clearly, you are ridiculous nimrods for wasting so much of everyone’s
> bandwidth with your drivel.  You should be censored by the moderators.
>
> Chris Gettings
>
> On 1/2/08 10:58 PM, "Paul Vixie" <paul at vix.com> wrote:
>>> furthermore, if the employment of former MAPS employees after  
>>> leaving
>>> MAPS ought to reflect on the founders of MAPS somehow, then  
>>> shouldn't
>>> you also do an exhaustive search to find out where every one of them
>>> wound up?  (and also for every other company founded by any ARIN  
>>> board
>>> member?)  (or any company where an ARIN board member was an  
>>> executive?)
>>
>> As the managing director of MAPS, you were responsible for training  
>> and
>> indoctrinating these people.
>
> there were no indoctrinations.  my biggest responsibility was  
> setting policy
> and my second biggest was making payroll happen.  while i hold
> responsibility
> for everything done by a MAPS employee, i don't have any control  
> (nor would
> i
> want it) of what folks do after they leave my employ.  perhaps MAPS  
> was not
> the kind of company you thought it was, or perhaps the world is not  
> the kind
> of place you thought it was.
>
>> It wasn't just one bad apple; It was two.
>
> for all i know, scott richter hired peter and kelly with the  
> challenge of
> "please help me run a more responsible organization".  i have no  
> knowledge,
> but it sounds like you don't either, so maybe you should ask peter and
> kelly?
>
>> Did you profit from Whitehat.com?
>
> i'll answer that under separate cover.
>
>>> i find the quality of the investigations so far deplorably low.
>>
>> So far, I must agree. It is quite difficult to investigate while
> stonewalled
>> by Management and the Board.  The investigations would be greatly  
>> helped
> if
>> ARIN would respond to the questions that have been asked.  Most of  
>> the
>> information so far has been gleaned from outside of ARIN.
>
> while i don't mind answering questions sent to arin-discuss@ if  
> it'll help
> the membership determine the character of their trustees, i think  
> that if
> you
> want an answer from "the board" or "management" you should direct your
> inquiries to them by certified letter, perhaps even working through  
> your
> attorney who might decide to work through ARIN's attorney.
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