[arin-discuss] [ppml] Counsel statement on Legacy assignments?(fwd)

On Fri, 5 Oct 2007, Thomas Leonard wrote:

> I happen to agree with the ARIN attorney.  

The point is that ARIN attorney hasn't said anything definitive.

		--Dean

> -----Original Message-----
> From: arin-discuss-bounces at arin.net [mailto:arin-discuss-bounces at arin.net] On Behalf Of Dean Anderson
> Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 11:31 PM
> To: arin-discuss at arin.net
> Subject: Re: [arin-discuss] [ppml] Counsel statement on Legacy assignments?(fwd)
> 
> Holy context batman, that is quite a bit different than your statement.
> 
> You also cut off the part where he says he hasn't thought about it much,
> and the part where he notes 'the government gave away something without
> any strings attached'.  That is an agreement with the government. So Mr.  
> Ryan appears to have mis-spoken about some lack of agreement between the
> government and legacy holders.
> 
> And you left off the part about:
> 
> "I've thought about whether I could ask the United States Congress for 
> authority to have the government obtain back that which the government 
> gave. I don't know if that's constitutional, actually. I mean, I've 
> started to play with different theories here."
> 
> So the answer is that the ARIN Lawyer doesn't know.  ARIN hasn't offered
> any definitive opinion as you assert. 
> 
> Please tell the IETF you were wrong.
> 
>                 --Dean
> 
> 
> On Thu, 4 Oct 2007, Stephen Sprunk wrote:
> 
> > Thus spake "Dean Anderson" <dean at av8.com>
> > > "Counsel recently made a statement that it doesn't appear that
> > > ARIN has any legal obligation to maintain registry services for
> > > legacy assignments"
> > >
> > > Where is this counsel statement?
> > 
> > http://www.arin.net/meetings/minutes/ARIN_XIX/ppm1_transcript.html#anchor_13
> > 
> > "MR. RYAN: I've thought a little bit about what a stick might look like 
> > here. So for example, it's very clear to me that denial of service by ARIN 
> > is legally permitted. In other words, I don't believe we, as the non-profit 
> > trying to carry out the community's wishes, have a duty to provide free 
> > services for legacy address holders. And the denial of those free services 
> > to legacy address holders pursuant to their lack of agreement is perfectly 
> > permitted, in my judgment, as a matter of law."
> > 
> > S
> > 
> > Stephen Sprunk         "God does not play dice."  --Albert Einstein
> > CCIE #3723         "God is an inveterate gambler, and He throws the
> > K5SSS        dice at every possible opportunity." --Stephen Hawking 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
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