consistancy

Cathy,

Thank you very much.  I obviously don't know all the details and issues
involved with reclaiming legacy space, so I don't wish to submit any
further comments other than it sure makes sense to utilize all the space
available before forcing the little guy to make technological changes that
he/she is ill equipted to do.

Of course we should all make changes that make sense and that we can
accomplish within reason.

Pick up the $500 bills laying around before scaping for pennies.  Even if
the $500 bill belongs to the president.

Thanks again.

Mury
GoldenGate Internet Services

 On Mon, 18 Sep 2000, Cathy Wittbrodt wrote:

> 
> You have this slightly wrong.  ARIN is not the ASO.  The Address
> Supporting Organization was formed by ICANN based on a MOU that was
> written by the existing regional registries.  You have included most
> of the MOU below, but it seems that the part about the selecting the 
> council, etc, may be missing. Under that MOU the Address
> Council was formed by folks nominated and elected by each of the
> regions.  I am on the ASO AC and I have just asked to have legacy space
> reclaimation added to our agenda for our next meeting in October.
> If you would like to submit comments or items for the address council
> you can participate in the aso-policy list or any of the other lists
> (http://www.aso.icann.org/lists/)  Further you can contact me directly.
> 
> Thanks,
> ---CJ
> 
>     From: Mury <mury at goldengate.net>
>     Subject: Re: consistancy
>     
>     Hold the fort!
>     
>     I've taken some time to try to understand the authority and the role of
>     ARIN in relation to ICANN instead of taking some people's word for it.
>     
>     Here is a summary of what I found on ICANN's site.  I have pasted the text
>     from http://www.aso.icann.org/docs/aso-mou.html further down as a
>     reference.
>     
>     1)  The ICANN bylaws assign to the ASO (which ARIN is) the responsibility
>     for the development of global policies relating to the definition of
>     global policies for the distribution and registration of Internet address
>     space (currently IPv4 and IPv6);
>     
>     2)  Normally, proposals for global policies within the area of the ASO's
>     responsibility will be developed within the RIRs and forwarded to the
>     Address Council for their consideration.
>     
>     3)  In addition the Address Council may accept, for consideration,
>     proposals for changes to global IP address policy from any interested
>     individual or entity.  
>     
>     Doesn't this sound like it is ARIN's responsibilty to develop policies and
>     not ICANNs?  It sure reads like ICANN has given ARIN not just the
>     authority, but the responsibility to create *global* policies for
>     registration of address space.  There are no conditions listed, no
>     exceptions.
>     
>     What am I not understanding?
>     
>     Unless I'm badly mistaken in my understanding of a RIR's role as defined
>     by ICANN, I would like to suggest that ARIN and it's decision making
>     bodies consider creating policies for reclaiming largely unused legacy
>     address space.
>     
>     What I do not know is if this has already been done and rejected by ICANN.
>     If so, I would like to see copies of the rejection so I can approach ICANN
>     as a concerned citizen.
>     
>     Thank you.
>     
>     Mury
>     GoldenGate Internet Services
>     
>     
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>     
>     (4) Duties of the Address Council. 
>     
>     (a) Advisory Role. The Address Council will advise the Board of ICANN on
>     matters referred to the Address Council by the ICANN Board.
>     
>     (b) Policy Development. 
>     
>     The ICANN bylaws assign to the ASO the responsibility for the
>     development of global policies relating to the following areas: 
>     
>                       (i) Definition of global policies for the distribution
>     		  and registration of
>                       Internet address space (currently IPv4 and IPv6); 
>     
>                       (ii) Definition of global policies for the distribution
>     		  and registration of
>                       identifiers used in Internet inter-domain routing
>     		  (currently BGP autonomous system numbers); and 
>     
>                       (iii) Definition of global policies concerning the part
>     		  of the DNS name
>                       space which is derived from the Internet address space
>     		  and the
>                       inter-domain routing identifiers (currently in-addr.arpa
>     		  and ip6.int). 
>     
>     <snip>
>     
>     Normally, proposals for global policies within the area of the ASO's
>     responsibility will be developed within the RIRs and forwarded to the
>     Address Council for their consideration. In special circumstances the
>     ICANN board can forward a request to develop a new global policy or to
>     review an existing global policy within the area of the ASO's
>     responsibility to the Address Council.
>     
>     In addition the Address Council may accept, for consideration, proposals
>     for changes to global IP address policy from any interested individual or
>     entity.
>     
>     In all cases when the Address Council reviews a proposal for new global
>     policies or a proposed modification to existing policies in this area it
>     will first solicit the opinions of all of the RIR signatories of the MOU
>     and of the public. The Address Council will weigh the results of these
>     solicitations in its deliberations to determine if it will approve the
>     proposal. At least two thirds of the members of the Address Council must
>     support a proposal for the proposal to be accepted and forwarded to the
>     ICANN board for its consideration.
>     
>     In any case where the ICANN board has requested that the Address Council
>     develop a new policy within the area of the ASO's responsibility, the
>     Address Council will forward that request to the RIR signatories of the
>     MOU. The RIRs will then be given a reasonable time to propose policies to
>     address the request from ICANN. Any resulting policy will be evaluated as
>     described above. If an RIR decides, after reviewing the request, that the
>     request is unreasonable, it can report that opinion to the Address
>     Council. If the Address Council, after reviewing the responses, decides
>     that the request is unreasonable or inadvisable, it can report that
>     opinion to the ICANN board along with the reasons that the Address Council
>     reached that conclusion.
>     
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>     
>     
>     On Sun, 17 Sep 2000, Mury wrote:
>     
>     > 
>     > This might sound like nit-picking, but I think it's an important issue to
>     > figure out before I "petition" IANA/ICANN with the below request.  Does
>     > ARIN want to be given authority to oversee those blocks?  I certainly
>     > don't want to ask for something to be given to ARIN that ARIN doesn't
>     > want.
>     > 
>     > Perhaps if the AC, the membership, or whoever needs to, can decide on that
>     > first, then ARIN as well as concerned individuals can approach IANA/ICANN
>     > with the suggestion/request.
>     > 
>     > If ARIN doesn't want the be given that authority, then as a concerned
>     > Internet citizen I'll ask them to do it themselves.  While it seems that
>     > the RIRs are all setup to be able to deal with the process for accounting
>     > for legacy space, maybe a new ASO (Since it probably isn't regional)
>     > should be created for dealing with the unique issues that reclaiming will
>     > probably have.
>     > 
>     > So, should ARIN (RIRs) have the authority and does it want it?
>     > 
>     > Mury
>     > 
>     > Side note:  Can someone tell me how much of the legacy space would fall
>     > under ARIN's region?
>     > 
>     > 
>     > On Sat, 16 Sep 2000, Alec H. Peterson wrote:
>     > 
>     > > Mury wrote:
>     > > > 
>     > > > No offense to you personally with these questions, but I've been told I am
>     > > > not qualified to act as any sort of "spokesperson" for the ARIN
>     > > > membership, and that I'm an idiot for asking for the list of legacy space
>     > > > contacts.
>     > > > 
>     > > > So my questions are:
>     > > > 
>     > > > Is it appropriate for me to "petition IANA/ICANN" essentially on behalf of
>     > > > ARIN?
>     > > 
>     > > No, but it would be appropriate for you to petition ICANN/IANA as a
>     > > concerned user of address space (and perhaps an ARIN member, although I
>     > > don't know offhand if you are) to either take it upon themselves to reclaim
>     > > address space or delegate authority to do so appropriately (ie, to the
>     > > RIRs).
>     > > 
>     > > Alec
>     > > 
>     > > -- 
>     > > Alec H. Peterson - ahp at hilander.com
>     > > Staff Scientist
>     > > CenterGate Research Group - http://www.centergate.com
>     > > "Technology so advanced, even _we_ don't understand it!"
>     > > 
>     > 
>     > 
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