[ARIN-consult] Reminder: Consultation on Increasing the size of the ARIN Board of Trustees

Mon Jun 12 22:55:57 EDT 2017

Susannah, I appreciate your input, however you also have missed the point
being made.  "Diversity" to which you speak of is not inclusive, it is
exclusive.  Your use of the word Diversity is "status quo" + women,
implying that the "status quo" is a male exclusive club (Caribbean Regional
is a red-herring in my opinion).  How can diversity be guaranteed under
this flavor of Diversity?  Please read Mike's responses that includes a
more detailed analysis of the myriad people groups who will still be
"underrepresented".

If a knitting or quilting club contains all women, does that mean men are
underrepresented?  NO!  It is more likely that men don't have an interest
in these hobbies/professions.  Men are quite capable and allowed to pursue
these even without a representative seat "officially" prescribed.

A more reasonable solution to the alleged ARIN problem that does not
involve acquiescing to the jesuit-communist Diversity plank, is for women
to start clubs, classes or blogs such as the Women's Lunches you stated
above.  How many women have applied to the board and have been rejected?
Maybe a study should be done FIRST to determine if the "problem" exists.

The important question is whether there is any prejudicial treatment
against any group or person.  Your statement that you would like to be
accepted by merit is contradicted by the following statement made that you
still support a prejudicial seat with a group label.

On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 7:21 PM, Susannah Gray <susannah.gray at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> On 02/06/2017 07:39, Jason Schiller wrote:
>
>
>
>
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> On Thu, Jun 1, 2017 at 6:49 PM, Rob Seastrom <rs at seastrom.com> wrote:
> >
> > I am neither in favor of nor opposed to the restrictions/carve-outs that
> Jason suggests,
> > but will observe that they may be one effective tool among many that the
> Board or NomCom
> > may bring to bear.
>
> For the record,I am neither in favor nor opposed to the specific
> restrictions/carve-outs that
> I suggested.  I am strongly in favor of adding new Board seats if they
> have some sort of
> restrictions/carve-outs.  I gave some examples that came to mind to spur
> discussion about
> the general need for some specific restrictions/carve-outs and hope the
> discussion will shift
> to what restrictions would be desired prior to deciding to enlarge the
> board.
>
> I thank RS for pointing out that there are other ways to address diversity
> such as the fellowship.
>
>
> As I understand it, the domicile restrictions for the Fellowship Program
> have been removed and the number of available places on the program have
> been increased in order to encourage more participation from typically
> under-represented regions.
>
> Similarly, the Women's Lunches that now take place during the ARIN
> Meetings help female attendees learn more about the other women in the
> community as well as how to participate in ARIN in an informal environment.
>
> Regarding the idea to increase the number of seats on the Board, I agree
> that we should strive for more diversity on the Board. I also agree,
> however, with several of the other responses that unless seats are
> specifically designated as a 'Caribbean Regional Seat' or 'Female
> Representative Seat', diversity cannot be guaranteed and most likely the
> status quo will prevail.
>
> Further, as one of the few female voices to chime into this discussion, I
> would *personally* prefer to be elected to such a position on merit rather
> than because a seat had to be reserved for someone who identified as female
> - but that does not mean I don't support such a seat being designated.
>
> For the Board to become more diverse, the community needs to become more
> diverse so that the NomCom can choose from a wider pool of qualified people
> who can be presented as candidates for open Board seats.
>
> Hopefully, the expanded Fellowship Program and the Women's Lunches will
> help increase the participation and visibility of a more diverse set of
> people (in terms of gender and regional representation) over the next few
> meetings.
>
> Finally, over in the RIPE region, the community has recently formed a RIPE
> Diversity Task Force to address the gender issue in the community. You can
> read about it here:
> https://labs.ripe.net/Members/agowland/diversity-discussions-at-ripe-74
>
> Cheers,
>
> Susannah
>
>
> I had not considered the importance of encouraging greater diversity in
> general participation,
> but now see it is at least as important for sake of diversity of
> participation, and probably
> even more important as Bill points out.  (Also of note, it would likely
> also support greater
> diversity of qualified board candidates).
>
> I strongly support efforts to increase diversity of participation.
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 1, 2017 at 6:54 PM, Bill Woodcock <woody at pch.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> > On Jun 2, 2017, at 1:49 AM, Rob Seastrom <rs at seastrom.com> wrote:
>>
>> > I am neither in favor of nor opposed to the restrictions/carve-outs
>> that Jason suggests, but will observe that they may be one effective tool
>> among many that the Board or NomCom may bring to bear.
>>
>> Yes.  But as I’ve explained before, regional representation is done by
>> categorizing _voters_, not _candidates_.
>>
>> One way to achieve regional representation by categorizing _voters_ is to
> limit the voting
> for a particular seat to a geographical segment of the membership.
>
> Another way to achieve regional representation by categorizing _voters_ is
> to limit the
> selection of the candidate slate for a particular seat to a geographical
> segment of the
> community, and have the entire membership vote.
>
> You can of course also categorize the candidates and only permit a certain
> type of
> candidate for a particular seat.
>
> I do not have strong preference for one approach over another, and would
> prefer
> whichever approach provides the best mix of diversity and qualified Board
> members.
>
> As Bill points out categorizing _candidates_ may make sense in some cases
> such as gender diversity.
>
>
> __Jason
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