<div dir="ltr">Susannah, I appreciate your input, however you also have missed the point being made. "Diversity" to which you speak of is not inclusive, it is exclusive. Your use of the word Diversity is "status quo" + women, implying that the "status quo" is a male exclusive club (Caribbean Regional is a red-herring in my opinion). How can diversity be guaranteed under this flavor of Diversity? Please read Mike's responses that includes a more detailed analysis of the myriad people groups who will still be "underrepresented".<br><br>If a knitting or quilting club contains all women, does that mean men are underrepresented? NO! It is more likely that men don't have an interest in these hobbies/professions. Men are quite capable and allowed to pursue these even without a representative seat "officially" prescribed.<br><br>A more reasonable solution to the alleged ARIN problem that does not involve acquiescing to the jesuit-communist Diversity plank, is for women to start clubs, classes or blogs such as the Women's Lunches you stated above. How many women have applied to the board and have been rejected? Maybe a study should be done FIRST to determine if the "problem" exists.<br><br>The important question is whether there is any prejudicial treatment against any group or person. Your statement that you would like to be accepted by merit is contradicted by the following statement made that you still support a prejudicial seat with a group label.<br><br><br><br><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jun 12, 2017 at 7:21 PM, Susannah Gray <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:susannah.gray@gmail.com" target="_blank">susannah.gray@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div>On Thu, Jun 1, 2017 at 6:49 PM, Rob Seastrom <<a href="mailto:rs@seastrom.com" target="_blank">rs@seastrom.com</a>>
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<div>> I am neither in favor of nor opposed to the
restrictions/carve-outs that Jason suggests, </div>
<div>> but will observe that they may be one effective
tool among many that the Board or NomCom </div>
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<div>For the record,I am neither in favor nor opposed to the
specific restrictions/carve-outs that </div>
<div>I suggested. I am strongly in favor of adding new
Board seats if they have some sort of <br>
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<div>restrictions/carve-outs. I gave some examples that came to
mind to spur discussion about<br>
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<div>the general need for some specific restrictions/carve-<wbr>outs
and hope the discussion will shift</div>
<div>to what restrictions would be desired prior to deciding to
enlarge the board.</div>
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<div>I thank RS for pointing out that there are other ways to
address diversity such as the fellowship.</div>
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As I understand it, the domicile restrictions for the Fellowship
Program have been removed and the number of available places on the
program have been increased in order to encourage more participation
from typically under-represented regions. <br>
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Similarly, the Women's Lunches that now take place during the ARIN
Meetings help female attendees learn more about the other women in
the community as well as how to participate in ARIN in an informal
environment. <br>
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Regarding the idea to increase the number of seats on the Board, I
agree that we should strive for more diversity on the Board. I also
agree, however, with several of the other responses that unless
seats are specifically designated as a 'Caribbean Regional Seat' or
'Female Representative Seat', diversity cannot be guaranteed and
most likely the status quo will prevail. <br>
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Further, as one of the few female voices to chime into this
discussion, I would *personally* prefer to be elected to such a
position on merit rather than because a seat had to be reserved for
someone who identified as female - but that does not mean I don't
support such a seat being designated. <br>
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For the Board to become more diverse, the community needs to become
more diverse so that the NomCom can choose from a wider pool of
qualified people who can be presented as candidates for open Board
seats. <br>
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Hopefully, the expanded Fellowship Program and the Women's Lunches
will help increase the participation and visibility of a more
diverse set of people (in terms of gender and regional
representation) over the next few meetings. <br>
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Finally, over in the RIPE region, the community has recently formed
a RIPE Diversity Task Force to address the gender issue in the
community. You can read about it here: <br>
<a class="m_-3481008422494417358moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://labs.ripe.net/Members/agowland/diversity-discussions-at-ripe-74" target="_blank">https://labs.ripe.net/Members/<wbr>agowland/diversity-<wbr>discussions-at-ripe-74</a><br>
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Cheers, <br>
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Susannah <br>
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<div>I had not considered the importance of encouraging greater
diversity in general participation, </div>
<div>but now see it is at least as important for sake of
diversity of participation, and probably</div>
<div>even more important as Bill points out. (Also of note, it
would likely also support greater </div>
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<div>I strongly support efforts to increase diversity of
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Woodcock <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:woody@pch.net" target="_blank">woody@pch.net</a>></span>
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> On Jun 2, 2017, at 1:49 AM, Rob Seastrom <<a href="mailto:rs@seastrom.com" target="_blank">rs@seastrom.com</a>>
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> I am neither in favor of nor opposed to the
restrictions/carve-outs that Jason suggests, but will
observe that they may be one effective tool among many
that the Board or NomCom may bring to bear.<br>
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</span>Yes. But as I’ve explained before, regional
representation is done by categorizing _voters_, not
_candidates_.<br>
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<div>One way to achieve regional representation
by categorizing _voters_ is to limit the voting </div>
<div>for a particular seat to a geographical segment of the
membership. </div>
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<div>Another way to achieve regional representation by
categorizing _voters_ is to limit the</div>
<div>selection of the candidate slate for a particular seat
to a geographical segment of the</div>
<div>community, and have the entire membership vote.</div>
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<div>You can of course also categorize the candidates and
only permit a certain type of </div>
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<div>I do not have strong preference for one approach over
another, and would prefer</div>
<div>whichever approach provides the best mix of diversity
and qualified Board </div>
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<div>As Bill points out categorizing _candidates_ may make
sense in some cases</div>
<div>such as gender diversity.</div>
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