From jmacknik at inflow.com Fri Jun 8 15:03:36 2001 From: jmacknik at inflow.com (Jim Macknik) Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2001 13:03:36 -0600 Subject: Comments on Name Based Virtual Hosting Policy Recommendation Message-ID: This is where it gets confusing. "Qualify" for what? If this is just to gather information, then ARIN should be gathering information on why people request address space for IP-based hosting, whether it's technical (SSL requirements, etc.) or simply preference. Once ARIN has gathered the information, then they can create a policy. But to say that a justification document does not "qualify" for an information-gathering stage doesn't work. It's either required by ARIN, then reviewed for its validity and IP space is assigned after it is approved, or it is required when space is requested from ARIN so that ARIN can collect information, regardless of the space requested. Otherwise, its a double standard and an excellent explanation for why people do not understand what is being requested of them. =- Mack -= _________________________________________________ James M. Macknik Manager, Systems Engineering 2401 15th St. Denver, CO 80202 303/824.2506 (Office) 720/840.5329 (Cell) jmacknik at inflow.com www.inflow.com -----Original Message----- From: Sweeting, John [mailto:John.Sweeting at teleglobe.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 11:47 AM To: 'Charles Scott'; Sweeting, John Cc: A. M. Salim; vwp at arin.net Subject: RE: Comments on Name Based Virtualk Hosting Policy Recommendation Agreed. Bill Darte, do you think it we can possibly change the wording to show that the technical reasons are definitely not going to be evaluated at this time for the purpose of approving the request? I also think that we need to emphasize the fact that the technical reason must be a technical reason and not an administrative reason (such as it is easier to do it this way or costs less to do it this way) in order to qualify. What do you think? -----Original Message----- From: Charles Scott [mailto:cscott at gaslightmedia.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 1:39 PM To: Sweeting, John Cc: A. M. Salim; vwp at arin.net Subject: RE: Comments on Name Based Virtualk Hosting Policy Recommendation John: I only need quote from some of the earlier posts to show that confusion exists with the current wording. "I really think we need ARIN to really lay down what "technical justifications" there are for requesting IP space for IP-based hosting" "Since technical reasons can be pretty specific I agree with the fact that there should be a list of technical reasons to justify IP address allocations and an escalation procedure to suggest new ones." If the people who wrote this understood the policy was for data collection only, they probably would have argued that point. That they were looking for a specific list indicates to me that they assumed the policy meant that the supplied technical justifications would be evaluated as part of the decision to assign space. Chuck On Wed, 9 May 2001, Sweeting, John wrote: > Please do not be confused. ARIN is not going to review the request but > rather the technical reasons being supplied so that wheels can be set in > motion to either solve the technical reasons (not necessarily something that > ARIN will do, but the Internet community as a whole) or accept the fact that > it is an issue that cannot be resolved and allow that to stand in the future > as an acceptable reason for using IP-based webhosting. No where is it > inferred that ARIN will refuse address space based on the technical > justification at this time. > From joe at decosta.org Sat Jun 9 23:07:31 2001 From: joe at decosta.org (Joe DeCosta) Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2001 20:07:31 -0700 (MST) Subject: Comments on Name Based Virtual Hosting Policy Recommendation In-Reply-To: Message-ID: i dont think that the issue here is some random T1 customer requesting a /24 i think its blocks larger than that are being abused and need to be audited.......the people using blocks larger than /24's are generally knowing of what qualifies for a real IP and what can be non routeable...., or in the case of VWP, if they NEED to have their own IP for vhosting with ssl etc.... On Fri, 8 Jun 2001, Jim Macknik wrote: > This is where it gets confusing. "Qualify" for what? If this is just to > gather information, then ARIN should be gathering information on why people > request address space for IP-based hosting, whether it's technical (SSL > requirements, etc.) or simply preference. > > Once ARIN has gathered the information, then they can create a policy. But > to say that a justification document does not "qualify" for an > information-gathering stage doesn't work. It's either required by ARIN, then > reviewed for its validity and IP space is assigned after it is approved, or > it is required when space is requested from ARIN so that ARIN can collect > information, regardless of the space requested. > > Otherwise, its a double standard and an excellent explanation for why people > do not understand what is being requested of them. > > =- Mack -= > > _________________________________________________ > > James M. Macknik > Manager, Systems Engineering > 2401 15th St. > Denver, CO 80202 > 303/824.2506 (Office) > 720/840.5329 (Cell) > jmacknik at inflow.com > www.inflow.com > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Sweeting, John [mailto:John.Sweeting at teleglobe.com] > Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 11:47 AM > To: 'Charles Scott'; Sweeting, John > Cc: A. M. Salim; vwp at arin.net > Subject: RE: Comments on Name Based Virtualk Hosting Policy > Recommendation > > > Agreed. > > Bill Darte, do you think it we can possibly change the wording to show that > the technical reasons are definitely not going to be evaluated at this time > for the purpose of approving the request? I also think that we need to > emphasize the fact that the technical reason must be a technical reason and > not an administrative reason (such as it is easier to do it this way or > costs less to do it this way) in order to qualify. What do you think? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Charles Scott [mailto:cscott at gaslightmedia.com] > Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 1:39 PM > To: Sweeting, John > Cc: A. M. Salim; vwp at arin.net > Subject: RE: Comments on Name Based Virtualk Hosting Policy > Recommendation > > > > John: > I only need quote from some of the earlier posts to show that confusion > exists with the current wording. > > "I really think we need ARIN to really lay down what "technical > justifications" there are for requesting IP space for IP-based hosting" > > "Since technical reasons can be pretty specific I agree with the fact > that there should be a list of technical reasons to justify IP address > allocations and an escalation procedure to suggest new ones." > > If the people who wrote this understood the policy was for data > collection only, they probably would have argued that point. That they > were looking for a specific list indicates to me that they assumed the > policy meant that the supplied technical justifications would be evaluated > as part of the decision to assign space. > > Chuck > > > > On Wed, 9 May 2001, Sweeting, John wrote: > > > Please do not be confused. ARIN is not going to review the request but > > rather the technical reasons being supplied so that wheels can be set in > > motion to either solve the technical reasons (not necessarily something > that > > ARIN will do, but the Internet community as a whole) or accept the fact > that > > it is an issue that cannot be resolved and allow that to stand in the > future > > as an acceptable reason for using IP-based webhosting. No where is it > > inferred that ARIN will refuse address space based on the technical > > justification at this time. > > >