Abuse of ARIN policies.

[Karyn Ulriksen]

IP utilization for virtualized services can be minimized, but not altogether
disregarded.  We figured out ways to address most issues.  The big ugly is
NT.  Our virtual NT clients are distressed when they learn they are
uploading their FTP files via a Unix server (because they ordered NT), but
NT chroot by user has some maturing to do.

With the right bit of planning and engineering, most services can be offered
virtually without dropping IPs left and right.  The only exceptions are
virtualized anonymous FTP (will somebody please add a Hostname field to the
FTP header?  *grin*) and SSL, which may necessarily need this for a while.  

Virtualized services are often easier managed by NOT using the differing
IPs.

I was happy to see ARIN submit the concept of justifying webhosting IP
requirements.  Some people don't engineer environments that run lean on IPs
simply because the are too embedded in legacy issues, are
engineering-challenged, or plain lazy.   I'm extremely lazy, that's why I do
engineering - so that I can continue to be lazy!

K


:: -----Original Message-----
:: From: Joe DeCosta [mailto:joe at decosta.org]
:: Sent: Friday, April 27, 2001 3:39 PM
:: To: Chapel Support
:: Cc: 'ARIN Virtual Web Hosting (E-mail)'
:: Subject: RE: Abuse of ARIN policies.
:: 
:: 
:: ok, why does ANYONE need more than say 10 IP's for 100 domains
:: hosted??? and thats high traffice hosting too
:: i've seen networks do gigabytes in a few hours with as 
:: little as 15 IP's
:: and something like 250 domains....with ssl......on NT no less........
:: 
:: ______________________
:: Joe DeCosta
:: joe at decosta.org
:: ~Off to see the wonderful wizard of Oz!~
:: ~because of the wonderful things he does!~
:: 
:: On Fri, 27 Apr 2001, Chapel Support wrote:
:: 
:: > Come on guys.    As a webhosting provider we have to 
:: justify to ARIN
:: > when we ask for new IP space.
:: > 
:: > A "busy" web hosting provider should be able to expect 
:: help from large
:: > virtual ISP's, and a simple request for your numbering is 
:: not a lot to
:: > be asked for.... 
:: > 
:: > We have clients that control 500-600 IP's and when a 
:: client does not pay
:: > them they simply recycle that IP to another domain.  For us to keep
:: > track of all these guy's activity would require additional 
:: tech people
:: > to keep track of nothing but changes. 
:: > 
:: > We ask for this not to pilfer your client's but to get 
:: more IP's from
:: > ARIN.
:: > 
:: > Lee Murphy
:: >  
:: > 
:: > -----Original Message-----
:: > From: owner-vwp at arin.net [mailto:owner-vwp at arin.net] On 
:: Behalf Of Potent
:: > Products
:: > Sent: Friday, April 27, 2001 5:58 PM
:: > To: ARIN Virtual Web Hosting (E-mail)
:: > Subject: Re: Abuse of ARIN policies.
:: > 
:: > 
:: > Sounds to me like your Hosting company is asking you to do 
:: "their work"
:: > for them. By default, when you have space on "someone 
:: else's" Server,
:: > there is nothing you can hide from them. Ergo: they should know
:: > everything you are doing.
:: > 
:: > Although they have the "authority" to make a request (like 
:: the one you
:: > describe) I would CMA by sending the information directly to your
:: > Hoster, using double-registered Postal Mail.
:: > 
:: > Just a thought.
:: > 
:: > 
:: > Website Rob
:: > Sitemaster at
:: > http://www.PotentProducts.com
:: > ------------------------------------------
:: > Helping people create a Potent Web Site
:: > 
:: > 
:: > ----- Original Message -----
:: > From: "L. James Prevo" <president at prevo.net>
:: > To: "ARIN Virtual Web Hosting (E-mail)" <vwp at arin.net>
:: > Sent: April 27, 2001 3:25 PM
:: > Subject: Abuse of ARIN policies.
:: > 
:: > 
:: > I though I would pass this onto the users of this list.  I 
:: am wondering
:: > about your feelings about this.  Is ARIN requesting this 
:: info as this
:: > message to this user suggest?
:: > 
:: > L. James Prevo
:: > President
:: > The Prevo Network
:: > http://www.prevo.net
:: > "The Place Where We Unlock Your Doors to the Net!"
:: > 
:: > Message: 5
:: > From: "hirsh -e-skwirtz" <hirsheskwirtz at hotmail.com>
:: > To: cobalt-users at list.cobalt.com
:: > Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 12:16:20 -0700
:: > Subject: [cobalt-users] what the hell kind of crap is this???
:: > Reply-To: cobalt-users at list.cobalt.com
:: > 
:: > my isp and server provider sent me this email - demanding 
:: my custoner
:: > list -
:: > 
:: > has anybody ever had to deal with this sort of intrusion?
:: > 
:: > we have been told we will loose our servers if we do not comply
:: > 
:: > >>>>>>>
:: > 
:: > Subject: IP audit
:: > CC: ipadmin at cobaltracks.com
:: > 
:: > 
:: > Hi,
:: > 
:: > Our IP's are being checked (audited) by ARIN. We must 
:: justify the IP
:: > usage to ARIN or we may lose IP's. If we lose the IP's we 
:: might not be
:: > able to provide some services to you, Cobalt Racks 
:: customers (one of our
:: > major competitors recently lost a big part of their IP allocation).
:: > 
:: > As you know, there is a shortage of IP's worldwide. Please 
:: help us to
:: > keep the IP's and provide services for you. This is what we need:
:: > 
:: > - Complete list of all your IP's
:: > 
:: > - Complete list of ALL DOMAINS on EACH IP.
:: > 
:: > We count on your support. This information is confidential 
:: and goes only
:: > to ARIN, which is a non-profit organization.
:: > 
:: > Please send this back by Friday, May 4, 2001. WE MUST HAVE THIS
:: > INFORMATION!
:: > 
:: > Please send the list to ipadmin at cobaltracks.com
:: > 
:: > Thank you.
:: > 
:: > Tom Surmiak
:: > Sales
:: > Cobalt Racks
:: > 
:: > 
:: > 
:: > 
:: > 
:: > 
:: > 
:: > 
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