IP Space

[Lee]

I use name-based virtuahosting on both my Unix/Apache and NT/IIS web
servers.  We host over 2500 web sites, using 3 IP addresses.  We have been
using name-based virtualhosting for over 2 years now.  (Since the v3.0
browsers entered the market.)

How does name-based virtualhosting negatively affect IIS?  Maybe I'm missing
something......

----- Original Message -----
From: "Clayton Lambert" <Clay at exodus.net>
To: <info at avehost.com>
Cc: "'Policy at Arin. Net'" <policy at arin.net>
Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2000 12:40 PM
Subject: RE: IP Space


> Once again, you are failing to see the shortsightedness of a policy
designed
> around a specific vendor, in this case it is apparent that vendor is MS
for
> you.  The fact that most UNIX based servers have no trouble supporting
> http1.1 only shows the limitations of other vendors that do not as
> effectively support http1.1.
>
> Addititionally, the policy CLEARLY ALLOWS for EXCEPTIONS.  Why are you
> afraid/unwilling to document your usage?  All you have to do is clearly
> indicate what you are doing that doesn't support http1.1 and you will
still
> keep on burning thru the IP space, as you want.
>
> -Clayton
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AveHost.com Staff [mailto:info at avehost.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2000 5:50 PM
> To: Clayton Lambert
> Cc: 'Policy at Arin. Net'
> Subject: RE: IP Space
>
>
>
> You did not read my follow-up, as I stated previously, I pulled those
> numbers right from Dell, so take it up with them please.  Another thing to
> note is, any policy that affects the implementation or utility of a web
> server as popular as IIS negatively, or for that matter, any web server
> system, whether purposefully targeting it or not, is not a flexible enough
> policy to be implemented, period.  Let's keep our focus here, this is what
> we are talking about, forget semantics, what is important is that enough
> information is gathered from the Internet community at large to determine
> how a particular policy will affect that community taking into account the
> environment at large.  You can't make a policy based on the assumption
that
> all web servers running Red Hat can manage with the new policy and forget
> that there are NT, Win2k, etc other servers out there also.  Therefore,
the
> policy must be broad enough and flexible enough to account for these
> variations in the environment of the public Internet.
>
> Since the policy of restricting IP's for hosting has been suspended, I
think
> their is, thank goodness, some realization that the alternative solutions
> and work-arounds for IP-based SSL, etc are not as clear-cut and broadly
> applicable as once thought, as there are some of us that think Unix is a
> FOUR LETTER word.
>
> Support Staff
> AveHost.com
> 201-840-7311
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Clayton Lambert [mailto:Clay at exodus.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2000 3:15 PM
> To: info at avehost.com
> Cc: 'Policy at Arin. Net'
> Subject: RE: IP Space
>
>
> Yes, I am.  They ARE vendor specific.  I question the validity of the
> numbers you indicate.   Even IF they were accurate, MicroSoft is STILL a
> vendor.  Sometime policies have to be firm.  JUst because a company the
size
> of MicroSoft sells a LOT of widgets, doesn't mean we should change the
rules
> to make the implementation of the MicroSoft widget easier.
>
>
> -Clayton Lambert
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: AveHost.com Staff [mailto:info at avehost.com]
> Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 9:50 PM
> To: Clayton Lambert
> Cc: 'Policy at Arin. Net'
> Subject: RE: IP Space
>
>
>
> I think any policy that affects the operation of IIS, in any version, is
> hardly "vendor specific" as many, many servers on the public Internet are
> running IIS, in fact, 47% of the secure sites and 52% of the largest
retail
> sites on the Internet are running on Microsoft Windows®.   Are you going
to
> tell me those are "vendor specific" numbers?
>
> AveHost.com Staff
> AveHost.com, a service of RegSearch International
> 201-840-7311
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Clayton Lambert [mailto:Clay at exodus.net]
> Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 9:31 PM
> To: info at avehost.com; 'Susan Zeigler'
> Cc: 'Policy at Arin. Net'
> Subject: RE: IP Space
>
>
> I think it is erroneous to hold policies to vendor-specific limitations.
> Protocol support should be the primary focus for policy.
>
> Clayton Lambert
> Exodus Communications
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: policy-request at arin.net [mailto:policy-request at arin.net]On Behalf
> Of AveHost.com Staff
> Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2000 10:41 PM
> To: Susan Zeigler
> Cc: Policy at Arin. Net
> Subject: RE: IP Space
>
>
>
> Susan:
>
> I mean no disrespect but that is not current possible in IIS 4 or IIS 5.o.
> There is no way to make an instance of a site in IIS 4 or 5 use SSL with
the
> same IP, IIS blocks it with an error message.  Thus, it DOES hold lots of
> water!
>
> AveHost.com Staff
> AveHost.com, a service of RegSearch International
> 201-840-7311
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Susan Zeigler [mailto:susan at lh.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2000 11:06 PM
> To: Policy at Arin. Net
> Cc: info at avehost.com; Ted Pavlic
> Subject: Re: IP Space
>
>
> Ah, but that argument doesn't hold much water. From what my
enterprise-level
> clients tell me, SSL can be configured just fine to handle multiple sites
on
> a
> single IP. I have several that do this with great results. It is much
easier
> to
> handle and manage too, just like host-header vs. virtual IP.
>
> "AveHost.com Staff" wrote:
>
> > Ted:
> >
> > Just keep in mind that you will still need IP's for those customers that
> > want and need to use SSL, which is currently about half of our
customers.
> > You see, ARIN is effectively restricting ecommerce whether they realize
it
> > or not by limiting IP allocations for hosting.  Congratulations ARIN,
the
> > NEW Economy's development just might be slowed!  This almost smells like
> an
> > old KGB clandestine operation to stifle the West's progress!
> >
> > AveHost.com Staff
> > AveHost.com, a service of RegSearch International
> > 201-840-7311
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: policy-request at arin.net [mailto:policy-request at arin.net]On Behalf
> > Of Ted Pavlic
> > Sent: Sunday, October 08, 2000 1:43 PM
> > To: policy at arin.net; RTS
> > Subject: Re: IP Space
> >
> > http://www.arin.net/announcements/name_based_hosting.html
> >
> > I hope that helps.
> >
> > All the best --
> > Ted
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "RTS" <rts at rdr.net>
> > To: <policy at arin.net>
> > Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2000 8:00 PM
> > Subject: IP Space
> >
> > > I saw on Arin's page last week or so a link to both Microsoft and
Apache
> > > pages for help on named based virtual hosting.
> > >
> > > Does anyone know where that is??
> > >
> > >
> > > Randy
> > >
> > >
>
>
>
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