From lenis_charles at hotmail.com Fri Jul 28 20:11:06 2000 From: lenis_charles at hotmail.com (Lenis Charles) Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2000 19:11:06 CDT Subject: Questions on IP Address policies Message-ID: <20000729001106.74895.qmail@hotmail.com> If this list is not the correct place to ask these questions, please accept my apology for the inconvenience. If you could direct me to the correct person or list to ask, I would greatly appreciate it. If a company "owned" (or had been allotted) a class B since the early 90's, how is this classified by ARIN? Is it assigned to the company (as an end user organization) or is it allocated to the company (as an ISP org for furthur suballocation)? Or does it not fall into neither of these categories since the allocation occurred before the current SWIP (allocation) policies were instituted. In either case, if the company wanted to start sub-allocating (or assigning) these addresses to its customers, would it be able to do so without reclassifying the space? When does (if at all) ARIN consider taking space back from an organization? If the company assigns a subnet of its Class B to one of its customers, and the customer multi-homes with another ISP, will his subnet be diversly reachable through both the company's network and the other ISP whom he is multi-homed with? In other words, will the Internet routing community advertise and accept routes that represent a partial Class B network. FYI: When I say a CLASS B network, I am speaking of a CLASS B network and not just a /16 CLASS B equivalent. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com From bruce at greatbasin.net Mon Jul 31 14:31:29 2000 From: bruce at greatbasin.net (Bruce Robertson) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 11:31:29 -0700 Subject: Address block problem Message-ID: <200007311831.LAA00950@roo.greatbasin.net> It was my understanding that 216.82.160.0/19 was reserved for our future expansion past the end of 216.82.128.0/19. I find that this block has been assigned to someone else. Why was this allowed to happen without any notification? Once again I find that I am penalized for being frugal with IP addresses. All of the ARIN policies are such that people who waste IP addresses are rewarded for that behavior, and people who manage to slow their address consumption to almost zero are penalized. On top of that, this action just added to fragmentation, since when I need another /19, it will now no longer be contiguous with an existing block. -- Bruce Robertson, President/CEO +1-775-348-7299 Great Basin Internet Services, Inc. fax: +1-775-348-9412 For PGP key: finger bruce at greatbasin.net From andy at XECU.NET Mon Jul 31 17:21:21 2000 From: andy at XECU.NET (Andy Dills) Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2000 17:21:21 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Address block problem In-Reply-To: <200007311831.LAA00950@roo.greatbasin.net> Message-ID: On Mon, 31 Jul 2000, Bruce Robertson wrote: > It was my understanding that 216.82.160.0/19 was reserved for our future > expansion past the end of 216.82.128.0/19. I find that this block has > been assigned to someone else. Why was this allowed to happen without > any notification? > > Once again I find that I am penalized for being frugal with IP addresses. All > of the ARIN policies are such that people who waste IP addresses are > rewarded for that behavior, and people who manage to slow their address > consumption to almost zero are penalized. On top of that, this action just > added to fragmentation, since when I need another /19, it will now no longer > be contiguous with an existing block. While I'm happy to note that my contiguous /19 is still available for me to grab (which will be happening pretty soon), I fail to see what the big deal is. What does having the contiguous /19 really get you? I mean, 7 times out of 10 there will be two routes for the given CIDR block...different prefix lengths for managing inbound traffic, multi-homed customers, etc. So number of routes isn't a large consideration, at least to me. Is it just an annoyance thing? Andy xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Andy Dills 301-682-9972 Xecunet, LLC www.xecu.net xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Dialup * Webhosting * E-Commerce * High-Speed Access