too many routes

[Joseph T. Klein]

A system must be established that will NOT keep new entities from entering the market.
I would rather see a world with 30 or 40 backbones, vs. a world with one.

The concept of upstream providers providing address space  does not work for
organizations seeking to establish national or international networks.

If I am to build a network to 5 major meet points and contract with UUNET, and
MCI for transit, why should I put up with the InetrNIC or ARIN telling me
that I must get a block of addresses from an upstream??! How the do you expect
to establish new backbones without a loophole for new providers to get a /19
and an ASN? Even to anty up to do this, we are in the 1 Million $$$ range.

Come on registry people ... give the open market model a chance.

--- On Tue, 9 Sep 1997 23:41:50 -0400 (EDT)  Jon Lewis <jlewis at inorganic5.fdt.net> wrote:

> > 
> > >I would think the latter.  If so, would anyone know why it is that the
> > >backbone providers are so resistant to giving out blocks to do this?
> > 
> > If backbone operators do not efficiently allocate IP space to their
> > downstream customers then the next time they need additional IP space they
> > will not be able to get any. Everyone in the food chain has to operate
> > under the same policies of justifying IP space based on need and using the
> > space efficiently. There is more info on this at http://www.arin.net and in
> > particular you should have a look through the recommended reading section
> > especially any documents relating to CIDR.
> 
> How do the rules of rfc2050 apply though when you have a hierarchy of
> providers and customers, where often the customer is a provider?  i.e. 
> picture the food chain I'm part of.  UUNet provides a T1 and 2 /20 blocks
> to FDT (an ISP).  Should UUNet give FDT address space based on the 25%/50%
> rule or the "slow-start" procedure?  FDT provides T1 service to several
> smaller ISP's.  Do we allocate space for them using the 25/50 rule or the
> slow-start rule?  These smaller ISP's that feed from us have customers
> using multiple IP's (selling web space to others).  Do they [the smaller
> ISPs] assign space to their customers using 25/50 or slow-start? 
> 
> It seems the rules are either too simple for the real world or were
> written with the idea that there are only providers and end users, and
> that nobody would be both.
> 
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From: Joseph T. Klein, Titania Corporation http://www.titania.net
mailto:jtk at titania.net                     Sent: 02:53:06 CST/CDT 09/10/97

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