What triggered ARIN ?

[Jim Fleming]

On Wednesday, March 05, 1997 2:56 PM, John Curran[SMTP:jcurran at bbnplanet.com] wrote:
@ At 15:23 3/5/97, Jim Fleming wrote:
@ 
@ >In my opinion, provider based allocations are the same
@ >"windfall" situations you describe above. They are just
@ >cloaked with services.
@ 
@ A non-profit registry provides IP allocations to any
@ and all ISPs on a cost-recovery basis.  No windfall 
@ there.
@ 

Yes, but non-profit does not mean low-cost or minimalist.

I prefer to have some representative of the people other
than the IRS looking over the non-profit to provide
guidance that the beach house (er office) in California
and the servers in Maui are not critical to the operation.
Neither are the Ferrari and Mercedes parked at the condo
in "D.C" and New York.

Also, keep in mind that non-profits can hide their revenue
and expenses. For example, I know for a fact that a well
postioned non-profit can be wined, dined, and hosted at
the finest hotels in Switzerland if the right deals are being
discussed. Those expenses never show up on the books.

@ ISP's connect customers and need to provide IP addresses
@ in order to deliver the service.   Generally, this is
@ included in the price of service.
@ 

Yes...it is cloaked in the service....ISPs that have the
IP addresses can more easily win contracts and
sign up customers....

@ >What stops a major provider from taking a T1 from
@ >$3,000 per month to $4,000 per month AFTER locking
@ >the poor ISP into an address block ? Isn't that sort
@ >of a windfall...?
@ 
@ I agree that there is a real potential for problems 
@ with the implicit 'vendor lock' due to provider-based
@ addressing.  The only good news that I've seen on this
@ front is that use of firewalls in some modes may greatly
@ reduce the renumbering cost and that we're actually 
@ beginning to see deployment of DHCP in volume.
@ 

I would say these are real problems...not potential problems...
as a company with three /8s it may be difficult to see these
problems...

That is part of my concern about ARIN. Do we have people
putting together programs to allocate food to the less
advantaged ? and will the people founding ARIN know who
the less advantaged are..?



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Jim Fleming
Unir Corporation

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