[Iana-transition] NRO Proposal for consolidation of RIR regional inputs into single ICG response

Seun Ojedeji seun.ojedeji at gmail.com
Thu Oct 16 21:01:41 EDT 2014

On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 5:51 PM, John Curran <jcurran at arin.net> wrote:

> On Oct 16, 2014, at 4:52 PM, Andrew Dul <andrew.dul at quark.net> wrote:
> >
> > I find it a little concerning that last week when some of us asked (at
> > the ARIN meeting) about how the global process was going to work there
> > wasn't really a response.  And then 6 days later there is this
> > "proposal"...that apparently the NRO EC has all agreed to?
> This proposal was written since that time, and is a proposal for the
> community to discuss.

Well i think it should have been presented at the ARIN meeting, since you
say its been written since.

> The NRO has not adopted it, although each of the NRO-EC members has
> reviewed it and considered it a reasonable starting point to release for
> discussion.

Perhaps its worth noting that there is noting at that url indicating that
the text is indeed a draft document (hopefully that can be updated).
Nevertheless, this is a minor issues, and i hope some of the comments
already coming in through the other RIRs will be considered accordingly.


> > 2/3rds agreement amongst these 15 is all that is needed to call any
> > proposal consensus. Add to that 1/3 of the panel is composed by RIR
> > staff.  Can someone confirm that the RIR staff on this team are voting
> > members of the 15?
> Interesting question... what do you propose?
> > This process is starting to not look very bottom up to me.
> >
> > We have a sitting body, the NRO NC, which was elected/appointed by each
> > of the RIR constituencies to represent each region.  Why aren't they
> > being considered a valid group to perform this function (of judging
> > consensus) in an open and transparent manner?
> This team will have to work on a expedited basis on a topic
> which is not number resource policy (that which the NRO NC
> representatives were elected for...)  I will note, having
> observed that NRO NC/ASO AC since inception, that it is a
> remarkably diligent council, but is not particularly brisk
> due to its fairly rigorous methods.
> > I agree this isn't part of their normal duties, but given the CRISP
> > process is  "an adaptation of the existing Global Policy Development
> > Process"...  Why not use the NRO NC who already has the responsibility
> > for the Global Policy Development Process?
> I can think of several very good reasons - the  ASO AC does not
> have any operating experience working with the IANA on requests,
> escalations, reporting, et (which is actually quite a bit of the
> IANA accountability aspects that must be covered), it has existing
> operating procedures which may not responsive to the time demands -
> <
> https://aso.icann.org/documents/operational-documents/operating-procedures-aso-ac/
> >,
> it has no method for moving forward except with complete agreement
> among all all submissions from the RIR processes, it doesn't craft
> documents, but instead is dependent on the RIR regional policy
> development processes (which are far too time intensive for this),
> etc.
> > Are there conflicts that the NRO NC would have by performing in this
> > role?  Or maybe we need a separate group completely separate from the
> > NRO/ASO?  How the members of this team are chosen is important if we
> > believe it will be hard to achieve consensus quickly on a submission to
> > the ICG.
> How do you believe they should they be chosen in the ARIN region?
> > Maybe this is too simple...why not just take the submissions from each
> > of the RIRs, do some work to collate and collect the input.  Create the
> > submission document, then put that out for discussion and have consensus
> > judged by the the NRO NC on that document.  (Maybe iterate once on the
> > first round of feedback) Note any substantive objections in an appendix.
> What you describe above for process is what the consolidation team
> should be doing... consolidate input from each region into a submission
> document and drive discussion on areas that lack consensus.
> /John
> John Curran
> President and CEO
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