From ginny at arin.net  Thu Jan  8 15:21:08 2004
From: ginny at arin.net (Ginny Listman)
Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2004 15:21:08 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [dbwg] New Statistics Format Available
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0401081520310.7723-100000@mta.arin.net>


On 5 January 2004, the Regional Internet Registries (APNIC, ARIN,
LACNIC, and RIPE NCC) implemented a new standard file format for
reporting the current state of Internet resource allocations and
assignments for:

    - IPv4 address ranges
    - IPv6 address ranges
    - AS numbers

The new file format, now available from all RIRs, ensures consistency
and makes it easier for users to integrate and analyze data from
different sources. The reports contain a snapshot of the status of
Internet number resources, without any details of transaction histories.
They are produced daily and include:

    - Information summaries
    - GPG key signatures
    - MD5 checksums for verification 


Statistics files
----------------
The latest statistics files are available from the RIR sites listed
below. Each RIR site also mirrors the files of the other RIRs.

    ARIN
    ftp://ftp.arin.net/pub/stats/arin/delegated-arin-latest

    APNIC
    ftp://ftp.apnic.net/pub/stats/apnic/delegated-apnic-latest

    LACNIC
    ftp://ftp.lacnic.net/pub/stats/lacnic/delegated-lacnic-latest

    RIPE NCC
    ftp://ftp.ripe.net/pub/stats/ripencc/delegated-ripencc-latest


More information
----------------

    ARIN
    ftp://ftp.arin.net/pub/stats/arin/README

    APNIC
    http://www.apnic.net/db/rir-stats-format.html   

    LACNIC
    ftp://ftp.lacnic.net/pub/stats/lacnic/delegated-lacnic-latest   

    RIPE NCC

 
ftp://ftp.ripe.net/pub/stats/ripencc/RIR-Statistics-Exchange-Format.txt
    

Regards,

Member Services
American Registry for Internet Numbers



From ahp at hilander.com  Thu Jan 22 11:09:53 2004
From: ahp at hilander.com (Alec H. Peterson)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 09:09:53 -0700
Subject: [dbwg] Re: [ppml] Bogons etc...
In-Reply-To: <20040122155334.GA92683@ussenterprise.ufp.org>
References: <DD7FE473A8C3C245ADA2A2FE1709D90B0DAE35@server2003.arneill-py.sac
 ramento.ca.us> <20040122155334.GA92683@ussenterprise.ufp.org>
Message-ID: <2147483647.1074762593@[192.168.0.101]>

<looking into my PPML time machine>

We have been down these roads before.  There are liability concerns that 
ARIN must address regardless of the protocol used to distribute this 
information.  Nobody on this list aside from ARIN legal staff (if they are 
on the list) are qualified to render an authoritative opinion with respect 
to ARIN's legal exposure.  As an ARIN AC member, I will bring this issue up 
(generally) at the next AC meeting and if there is sufficient consensus 
among AC members we will request a legal opinion.

Now, on to operational considerations.  Does anybody remember ORBS?  They 
were DoS'ed off the 'net by spammers.  If ARIN starts running this type of 
service, there will be a _significant_ operational cost increase taken on 
by ARIN, because the DoS attacks will come, and they may come with such a 
volume as to completely render all of ARIN offline.

I do not suggest for a second that we should not implement such a directory 
simply for this reason, I merely bring it up so that the issue can be 
included in the larger discussion.  Clearly there are ways to help deal 
with the issue (such as doing an anycast distribution of the directory).

At any rate, I also think that this should be moved to the DBWG mailing 
list, as this really is an operational issue that specifically deals with 
the ARIN database.

Alec
Chair, ARIN AC





From Michael.Dillon at radianz.com  Thu Jan 22 11:56:10 2004
From: Michael.Dillon at radianz.com (Michael.Dillon at radianz.com)
Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 16:56:10 +0000
Subject: [dbwg] Re: [ppml] Bogons etc...
Message-ID: <OFB6BA5869.B30857FD-ON80256E23.005C5A2D-80256E23.005CCA7B@radianz.com>

>We have been down these roads before.  There are liability concerns that 
>ARIN must address regardless of the protocol used to distribute this 
>information.  Nobody on this list aside from ARIN legal staff (if they 
are 
>on the list) are qualified to render an authoritative opinion with 
respect 
>to ARIN's legal exposure.  As an ARIN AC member, I will bring this issue 
up 
>(generally) at the next AC meeting and if there is sufficient consensus 
>among AC members we will request a legal opinion.

Will ARIN be shutting down their whois servers and web
servers until they can get an authoritative legal opinion?

>Now, on to operational considerations.  Does anybody remember ORBS?  They 

>were DoS'ed off the 'net by spammers.  If ARIN starts running this type 
of 
>service, there will be a _significant_ operational cost increase taken on 

>by ARIN, because the DoS attacks will come, and they may come with such a 

>volume as to completely render all of ARIN offline.

Correct me if I'm wrong but ARIN staff have already done a lot
of engineering work to deal with DoS issues on the existing 
whois service. In any case, if ARIN implements this using a
caching friendly protocol like LDAP or DNS then this is a non-issue
because the information will not all be served from one place.

>At any rate, I also think that this should be moved to the DBWG mailing 
>list, as this really is an operational issue that specifically deals with 

>the ARIN database.

There is still a policy issue that belongs here.

--Michael Dillon