From william at elan.net  Mon Feb 23 04:56:46 2004
From: william at elan.net (william(at)elan.net)
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 01:56:46 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [dbwg] RE: referals not working (fwd)
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0402230144080.10974-100000@sokol.elan.net>


The message below is forward from rwhois mail list. As can be seen from it, 
there is currently a problem in that rwhois direct referrals are not 
corresponding to new ARIN whois "ReferralServer:" field in port43 whois.

As I understood that, it was agreed that after ReferralServer field is 
introduced, this database field could be used to fix root rwhois. However 
it appears ARIN may have decided to keep these still as separately maintained
databases, in particular I note a recently updated rwhois referral template at
http://www.rwhois.net/ftp/rwhois-template.txt

I don't think this is a good idea, I think synchronization between the 
port43 whois and port 4321 rwhois is what everybody wants and expects.
So it would be best if arin generates all root rwhois referalls out of
ReferralServer field in its main whois (just like it generates rwhois 
database other fields out of normal whois database) and that there be no 
separate template to request root rwhois referrals to work.

---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 08:58:36 +0200
From: Thomas Kinghorn <thomask at mtnns.net>
To: "'rwhois at jeffchan.com'" <rwhois at jeffchan.com>
Cc: "'Rwhois (E-mail)'" <rwhois at rwhois.net>
Subject: RE: referals not working

Hi Jeff.

When clicking the link supplied, you get

Referral rwhois://rwhois.citec.net:4321/auth-area=209.212.96.0/19 

But If you look at ARIN, 

ReferralServer: rwhois://rwhois.mtnns.net:4321

The latter is correct. The first is an obsolete server from +/- 2 years ago.

Thanks for the prompt response.

Tom

-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Chan [mailto:rwhois at jeffchan.com]
Sent: 23 February 2004 08:49
To: Thomas Kinghorn
Cc: 'Rwhois (E-mail)'
Subject: Re: referals not working


Hello Thomas,
The referral appears to be working correctly when using the web
sample interface:

 
http://www.rwhois.net/perl/prwhois.cgi?url=rwhois://rwhois.arin.net:4321/aut
h-area=0.0.0.0/0&query=209.212.96.1

and ARIN's rwhois server.  Perhaps the issue is with your local
client.

Jeff C.
__

On Sunday, February 22, 2004, 10:33:33 PM, Thomas Kinghorn wrote:
> Hi List.

> I am battling to get the rwhois server to work via rwhois.arin.net

> When I telnet the server on port 4321, it connects.
> after issueing the -xfer 209.212.96.0/19, it returns the network &
> organisation info.

> However, when I do a lookup via command line:

> # rwhois 209.212.96.1 -v -s rwhois.arin.net -p 4321 
> Connecting to rwhois.arin.net:4321
> Connecting to rwhois.citec.net:4321
> error querying rwhois server: No Objects Found

> The same applies for the subnet 209.212.117.0/25.....No Objects found :'(


> Any advice on where I can look to resolve this would be appreciated.

> How do I get the referral to work.
> I have treid everything I can think of but nothing.

> My platform is RH8 running rwhoisd-1.5.7.3

> Regards, 
> Tom Kinghorn


> _______________________________________________
> Rwhois mailing list
> Rwhois at rwhois.net
> https://lists.verisignlabs.com/mailman/listinfo/rwhois



From cathym at arin.net  Mon Feb 23 12:01:22 2004
From: cathym at arin.net (Cathy Murphy)
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 12:01:22 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [dbwg] RE: referals not working (fwd)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0402230144080.10974-100000@sokol.elan.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.44.0402231143410.6965-100000@ops.arin.net>


On Mon, 23 Feb 2004, william(at)elan.net wrote:

> The message below is forward from rwhois mail list. As can be seen from it,
> there is currently a problem in that rwhois direct referrals are not
> corresponding to new ARIN whois "ReferralServer:" field in port43 whois.

Thank you. As you replied to the poster, he should contact
hostmaster at arin.net to get the existing rwhois referral updated. We
do monitor that list and reply (on-list and off-list) when needed.

> As I understood that, it was agreed that after ReferralServer
> field is introduced, this database field could be used to fix root
> rwhois.

That is still our intention.

> However it appears ARIN may have decided to keep these still as
> separately maintained databases, in particular I note a recently
> updated rwhois referral template at
> http://www.rwhois.net/ftp/rwhois-template.txt

That was done as an interim measure due to the increased number of
requests for rwhoiisservers.

> I don't think this is a good idea, I think synchronization between the
> port43 whois and port 4321 rwhois is what everybody wants and expects.
> So it would be best if arin generates all root rwhois referalls out of
> ReferralServer field in its main whois (just like it generates rwhois
> database other fields out of normal whois database) and that there be no
> separate template to request root rwhois referrals to work.

We agree and fully intend to do this. The effort will include the
cleanup and conversion of existing rwhois referrals. We have been
holding off on starting this project pending the final resolution of
Policy Proposal 2003-5, Distributed Information Server Use
Requirements. If this policy is adopted, it will impact the nature
and scope of the cleanup effort.

Thank you for raising this issue. Be assured that it is still on our
radar, and we will address it in due course.

Regards,

Cathy Murphy
ARIN

> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 08:58:36 +0200
> From: Thomas Kinghorn <thomask at mtnns.net>
> To: "'rwhois at jeffchan.com'" <rwhois at jeffchan.com>
> Cc: "'Rwhois (E-mail)'" <rwhois at rwhois.net>
> Subject: RE: referals not working
>
> Hi Jeff.
>
> When clicking the link supplied, you get
>
> Referral rwhois://rwhois.citec.net:4321/auth-area=209.212.96.0/19
>
> But If you look at ARIN,
>
> ReferralServer: rwhois://rwhois.mtnns.net:4321
>
> The latter is correct. The first is an obsolete server from +/- 2 years ago.
>
> Thanks for the prompt response.
>
> Tom
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeff Chan [mailto:rwhois at jeffchan.com]
> Sent: 23 February 2004 08:49
> To: Thomas Kinghorn
> Cc: 'Rwhois (E-mail)'
> Subject: Re: referals not working
>
>
> Hello Thomas,
> The referral appears to be working correctly when using the web
> sample interface:
>
>
> http://www.rwhois.net/perl/prwhois.cgi?url=rwhois://rwhois.arin.net:4321/aut
> h-area=0.0.0.0/0&query=209.212.96.1
>
> and ARIN's rwhois server.  Perhaps the issue is with your local
> client.
>
> Jeff C.
> __
>
> On Sunday, February 22, 2004, 10:33:33 PM, Thomas Kinghorn wrote:
> > Hi List.
>
> > I am battling to get the rwhois server to work via rwhois.arin.net
>
> > When I telnet the server on port 4321, it connects.
> > after issueing the -xfer 209.212.96.0/19, it returns the network &
> > organisation info.
>
> > However, when I do a lookup via command line:
>
> > # rwhois 209.212.96.1 -v -s rwhois.arin.net -p 4321
> > Connecting to rwhois.arin.net:4321
> > Connecting to rwhois.citec.net:4321
> > error querying rwhois server: No Objects Found
>
> > The same applies for the subnet 209.212.117.0/25.....No Objects found :'(
>
>
> > Any advice on where I can look to resolve this would be appreciated.
>
> > How do I get the referral to work.
> > I have treid everything I can think of but nothing.
>
> > My platform is RH8 running rwhoisd-1.5.7.3
>
> > Regards,
> > Tom Kinghorn
>
>
> > _______________________________________________
> > Rwhois mailing list
> > Rwhois at rwhois.net
> > https://lists.verisignlabs.com/mailman/listinfo/rwhois
>