[dbwg] WHOIS Modification - Part 1 of 2 (fwd)

[Einar Bohlin]

Hi,

Good point, why don't we just present the data the
way it's submitted:

OrgName:     Ministry of Colleges and Universities
OrgID:       MCU-1
Org Address:
Org Address:
Org City:
Org State/Province:
Org Postal Code:
Org Country Code:

That should be pretty easy to parse.

For whom are we making this data so easy to parse?
This has me wondering if the address was left out of
resource records and then presented all in one line
in an attempt to make the info difficult to parse,
perhaps to protect the data somewhat.  I wasn't at
the meeting, was that discussed?  Somebody must have
been thinking about this because I saw in the meeting
notes a reference to putting an unenforceable AUP on
the whois output.

Regards,

Einar Bohlin
IP Analyst
IP Team - Ashburn Virginia
UUNET/WorldCom
Phone: USA 703 886-7362
email: einar.bohlin at wcom.com
(VNET 806-7362)


On Thu, 21 Nov 2002, ginny listman wrote:

> 
> 
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 10:03:54 -0800
> From: geoffrey camps <Geoffrey.Camps at cw.com>
> To: dbwg at arin.net
> Cc: ginny at arin.net
> Subject: RE: [dbwg] WHOIS Modification - Part 1 of 2
> 
> I find it odd that ARIN requests templates using different data fields than
> they actually use when displaying the records in WHOIS.
> 
> We're required to submit to ARIN (template example):
> 5a. Customer Address: 2304 - 2nd Ave
> 6. Customer City: Seattle
> 7. Customer State/Province: WA
> 8. Customer Postal Code: 98121
> 
> However, we have to automatically generate those individual fields based
> upon (WHOIS example):
> Address: 2304 - 2nd Ave Seattle WA 98121
> 
> It's pretty difficult to parse that WHOIS data to break the data out into
> the template fields required above.  So, I propose format #3, with the
> addition that the City, State/Province, and Mailing Code be comma-delimited.
> 
> Suggested format #3:
> 
> OrgName:     Ministry of Colleges and Universities
> OrgID:       MCU-1
> Address:     Government of Ontario
>               Corporate Planning and Services
>               Ministry of Colleges and Universities
>               8th floor, mowat block
>               900 Bay Street
> City/Region: Toronto Ont M7A 1L2
> Country:     CA
> 
> ***with my additional suggestion the City/Region line would further be
> modified to:
> 
> City/Region: Toronto, Ont, M7A 1L2
> 
> This will help to clearly distinguish between the address, city,
> state/province, and mailing code.
> 
> 
> -gc
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dbwg-request at arin.net [mailto:dbwg-request at arin.net]On Behalf Of
> ginny listman
> Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2002 10:35 AM
> To: dbwg at arin.net
> Subject: [dbwg] WHOIS Modification - Part 1 of 2
> 
> 
> 
> A discussion took place on this mailing list, with further discussion
> during the Database Implementation Working Group Meeting at ARIN X in
> Eugene, Oregon, regarding separating the city, state/province and postal
> code from the address line. This would facilitate parsing the postal
> address. This can be done one of three ways:
> 
> Current format:
> 
> OrgName: Ministry of Colleges and Universities
> OrgID:   MCU-1
> Address: Government of Ontario
>           Corporate Planning and Services
>           Ministry of Colleges and Universities
>           8th floor, mowat block
>           900 Bay Street Toronto Ont M7A 1L2
> Country: CA
> 
> Suggestion format #1:
> 
> OrgName: Ministry of Colleges and Universities
> OrgID:   MCU-1
> Address: Government of Ontario
>           Corporate Planning and Services
>           Ministry of Colleges and Universities
>           8th floor, mowat block
>           900 Bay Street
>           Toronto Ont M7A 1L2
> Country: CA
> 
> Suggested format #2:
> 
> OrgName: Ministry of Colleges and Universities
> OrgID:   MCU-1
> Address: Government of Ontario
>           Corporate Planning and Services
>           Ministry of Colleges and Universities
>           8th floor, mowat block
>           900 Bay Street
> Address: Toronto Ont M7A 1L2
> Country: CA
> 
> Suggested format #3:
> 
> OrgName:     Ministry of Colleges and Universities
> OrgID:       MCU-1
> Address:     Government of Ontario
>               Corporate Planning and Services
>               Ministry of Colleges and Universities
>               8th floor, mowat block
>               900 Bay Street
> City/Region: Toronto Ont M7A 1L2
> Country:     CA
> 
> Suggested format #4:
> 
> OrgName: Ministry of Colleges and Universities
> OrgID:   MCU-1
> Address: Government of Ontario
> Address:  Corporate Planning and Services
> Address:  Ministry of Colleges and Universities
> Address:  8th floor, mowat block
> Address:  900 Bay Street
> Address: Toronto Ont M7A 1L2
> Country: CA
> 
> Although format #1 was not suggested at the meeting, it is similar to the
> format for multi-lined comments. Format #2 was the preferred method at the
> meeting, mainly because people were focusing on a single line street
> address. Format #3 was suggested at the meeting, but consensus was against
> it. Format #4 was not suggested at the meeting, but if implemented, begs
> the question, "Should the 'Comments:' label be repeated?"
> 
> Prior to implementing this change, ARIN is soliciting further comments.
> Which method is preferred? Will it be necessary to provide advanced notice
> before making the change?
> 
> If no additional comments are received before December 6, ARIN will begin
> to implement format #1. It should be noted that time of release of these
> changes depends upon the method selected.
> 
> Ginny Listman
> Director of Engineering
> ARIN
> 
> 
>