From billd at cait.wustl.edu Thu Aug 15 15:54:02 2002 From: billd at cait.wustl.edu (Bill Darte) Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 14:54:02 -0500 Subject: DNSSEC Training, etc. Message-ID: Hello CLEW Mail list Members.... Below you will find some email interaction posted to another list which is pertinent to CLEW. I have captured the primary messages as they were posted to save you a few extra emails. If you wish to comment on this thread or offer other training/education suggestions, please do. Bill Darte AC and Chair of CLEW Beginning of Email Interaction..... John Brown wrote.... The other RIR's have been working towards building course on DNSSEC and providing training about that. I'd like to propose that ARIN/CLEW being work in that direction as well. I'm raising this on the AC list first and as appropriate willing to move this to a more open question/list.. Bill D??? Willing to help put together course work, and interact with APNIC and RIPE on this goal. comments, ideas ??? Ray Plzak wrote... ARIN staff is already working on this and other training. Any Input is welcome. Bill Darte wrote... It is my opinion that the role of CLEW, if it were not dysfunctional, would be to identify training/educational needs and establish a dialog which would suggest priority, scope and scale of fulfillment, and then through shared experience identify where fulfillment might be sought....either commercial, via industry groups or through a development process involving one or the other groups. Obviously, ARIN has through some other channel identified and prioritized the need and is acting to fulfill the need.... CLEW was not the channel. CLEW has faced the challenge from the outset of getting the mindshare and commitment of the ARIN community to use the CLEW list to channel their information needs..... it hasn't happened in my opinion because there are no real pressing needs that don't get talked about in a variety of other forums, e.g. IETF, NANOG, RIPE and APNIC, etc. I have been the ineffective chair of the CLEW group for a long time now. Ineffective, because I am not at all the other meetings, I am not an operator or an engineer in the trenches. I'm an educator. If CLEW were to function properly, then I suggest that a change in leadership is needed, but I am not convinced that that would ensure CLEW as an effective vehicle either. It has a cultural bias against it. Ray Plzak wrote... To date ARIN's training efforts have been mainly tutorials at ARIN meetings and by invitation, tutorials at NANOG meetings. ARIN recently took training on the road to facilitate the data base conversion project. An on the road curriculum would be a good thing to have from the members. I don't think surveys are the answer. I think that a list of proposed topics should be developed and presented to the CLEW list for discussion. If you would like ARIN staff can develop such a list. John Brown wrote... I believe that the DNSSEC training that other RIR's are starting could be a good "starting point" for getting some activity going with CLEW and with ARIN's continued outreach. I'd be happy to work towards those goals, and think I can bring in some outside talent on this project (from the membership) as well. Would it be reasonable to ask the other RIR's for copies of their current materials as a starting point, something we can then tweek for our region? End of Email Interaction.....