From billd at cait.wustl.edu Wed Oct 18 12:16:22 2000 From: billd at cait.wustl.edu (Bill Darte) Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 11:16:22 -0500 Subject: Finally Message-ID: Hello all, I am finally getting around to clew after the meeting in DC.....lot's of stuff piled up here and some pre-winter vacation (projects around home) to take care of....but now I'm back. As I recall from our outstanding informal clew meeting there is some real interest in getting some support documents and other educational initiatives under way..... Two major efforts to pursue as I recall the meeting (someone from ARIN maybe took some notes...I'd appreciate a copy being posted).... Support document which would help ISPs educate their customers about the IP allocation and assignments issues and policy supporting the ISPs actions and ARINs policies. I intend to get a table of contents for such a document drafted. I would like any or all of you to send your thoughts about what should be in this document....you may send it before my draft is forwarded or after... We should ALL look at ARINs web site with an eye toward useability and content..... I think there is lots of fine information there now and we need to locate what IS already there in order to eliminate recreating the wheel....if we can provide a pat on the back for current success...we should.... if we need to critique its organization or content we should as well. Let me know you're listening. Bill Darte ARIN AC and Clew Chair From billd at cait.wustl.edu Mon Oct 23 12:21:52 2000 From: billd at cait.wustl.edu (Bill Darte) Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 11:21:52 -0500 Subject: IP Allocation/Assignment Doc Draft Message-ID: All, I have below a proforma outline of what might be a document to help ISPs educate customers about IP addressing issues that impact them through ARIN and the ISP involved. I expect that references to more fundamental documentation and organization sites will be provided in the document. I would like to see the document limited to 2 pages so as to fix a single, double-sided page. I propose that the document be published as an ARIN document. Please consider this as a starting point for discussions of content, objectives, size, whatever.... Your suggestions/feedback please.... ARIN CLEW Draft Document CLEW Document on Address Allocation and Assignment Internet organization (brief) Whose in charge from ICANN on down... ARIN as custodian and IP allocation to ISP (brief) The need to conserve ISPs as agents of ARIN IP Addressing review IP addresses as unique identifiers IPv4 address space Classfull allocations and inefficiency Classless addressing increases efficiency Balance between address assignments and route table size (CIDR) Legacy Assignments and IPv4 address reclamation (brief) The problem with correcting problems of the past Current status IPv6 in our future (brief) IPv6 address space Current Status From huberman at gblx.net Thu Oct 26 00:59:21 2000 From: huberman at gblx.net (David R Huberman) Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 21:59:21 -0700 (MST) Subject: IP Allocation/Assignment Doc Draft In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hello Bill et al., > I have below a proforma outline of what might be a document to help ISPs > educate customers about IP addressing issues that impact them through ARIN > and the ISP involved. > Legacy Assignments and IPv4 address reclamation (brief) > The problem with correcting problems of the past > Current status Given the fairly "murky" nature of legacy space reclamation, it is my own opinion that it might be prudent *not* to address this issue in such a document. I'm just not sure how you would word the section so as not to make proclamations on principles and methodologies in which the ARIN membership has not really given significant public input. /david * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * DAVID R HUBERMAN Manager, Global IP Addressing Global Crossing - IP Engineering 1410 Esplanade Drive #443 Tel: (917) 498-1679 Reston, Virginia 20194 FAX: (408) 734-0451 From billd at cait.wustl.edu Thu Oct 26 09:13:30 2000 From: billd at cait.wustl.edu (Bill Darte) Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 08:13:30 -0500 Subject: IP Allocation/Assignment Doc Draft Message-ID: David, Yes, I see your point...since it is to be (by my assertion alone) an ARIN document, then ARIN must assent to its content and since there is no policy on reclamation it would be unwise to make statements that might imply one. My actual thought (I did have one) on what this brief section would contain is much as you say. That reclamation is an area of interest to ARIN and the broader Internet community and that ARIN, other RIRs and the IETF have made calls for the turn-in of unused or underused address space. I think it would be handy to make some reference to voluntary return of such address space...hate to miss the opportunity... and also to show ARINs interest in it...even though no formal policy or procedure currently is expressed. billd > > Hello Bill et al., > > > I have below a proforma outline of what might be a document > to help ISPs > > educate customers about IP addressing issues that impact > them through ARIN > > and the ISP involved. > > > Legacy Assignments and IPv4 address reclamation (brief) > > The problem with correcting problems of the past > > Current status > > Given the fairly "murky" nature of legacy space reclamation, > it is my own > opinion that it might be prudent *not* to address this issue in such a > document. I'm just not sure how you would word the section so > as not to > make proclamations on principles and methodologies in which the ARIN > membership has not really given significant public input. > > /david > > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * > DAVID R HUBERMAN > Manager, Global IP Addressing > Global Crossing - IP Engineering > > 1410 Esplanade Drive #443 Tel: (917) 498-1679 > Reston, Virginia 20194 FAX: (408) 734-0451 > > From smarcus at genuity.com Thu Oct 26 09:36:06 2000 From: smarcus at genuity.com (J. Scott Marcus) Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 09:36:06 -0400 Subject: IP Allocation/Assignment Doc Draft In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20001026093606.00a8d330@pobox3.genuity.com> At 08:13 10/26/2000 -0500, Bill Darte wrote: >David, >Yes, I see your point...since it is to be (by my assertion alone) an ARIN >document, then ARIN must assent to its content and since there is no policy >on reclamation it would be unwise to make statements that might imply one. >My actual thought (I did have one) on what this brief section would contain >is much as you say. That reclamation is an area of interest to ARIN and the >broader Internet community and that ARIN, other RIRs and the IETF have made >calls for the turn-in of unused or underused address space. >I think it would be handy to make some reference to voluntary return of such >address space...hate to miss the opportunity... and also to show ARINs >interest in it...even though no formal policy or procedure currently is >expressed. >billd This seems to me to be a good way to handle it. From huberman at gblx.net Thu Oct 26 18:47:54 2000 From: huberman at gblx.net (David R Huberman) Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 15:47:54 -0700 (MST) Subject: IP Allocation/Assignment Doc Draft In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hello Bill et al., > My actual thought (I did have one) on what this brief section would contain > is much as you say. That reclamation is an area of interest to ARIN and the > broader Internet community and that ARIN, other RIRs and the IETF have made > calls for the turn-in of unused or underused address space. Sounds good... > I think it would be handy to make some reference to voluntary return of such > address space...hate to miss the opportunity... Absolutely. Ron Roberts and Stanford University should be lauded at every opportunity for their contribution to address space conservation! /david