<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"><html><head><meta content="text/html;charset=UTF-8" http-equiv="Content-Type"></head><body ><div style="font-family: Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;"><div>Good day, Quantum (and all).<br></div><div><br></div><div>As one of the shepherds of this policy, let me assure you, that the opposition which has been expressed is in no way being ignored. In fact, this was considered during our last AC meeting, and this is expected to be vigorously discussed and hopefully well ventilated on PPML and more so, at the ARIN 58 members meeting when this policy is being presented.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Rest assured, no persons or voices are being ignored. The move to Recommended Draft is part of the process to be able to get a show of hands at the general meeting while continuing to have robust discussions on the different aspects of the policy. Bear in mind that the policy has not moved to last call, and even if so, there is still room for addressing strong objecetions or any other grivances to any aspect of the policy.<br></div><div><br></div><div>We look forward to your further engagement on PPML and especially at ARIN 58.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Cheers.</div><div><br></div><div class="zmail_extra_hr" style="border-top: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); height: 0px; margin-top: 10px; margin-bottom: 10px; line-height: 0px; display: none;"><br></div><div class="zmail_extra" data-zbluepencil-ignore="true" style="clear: both;"><div><br></div><div id="Zm-_Id_-Sgn1">From: Quantum via ARIN-PPML <arin-ppml@arin.net><br>To: <arin-ppml@arin.net><br>Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2026 00:59:38 +0800<br>Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Recommended Draft Policy ARIN-2025-3: Change Section 9 Out Of Region Use Minimum Criteria<br></div><div><br></div><blockquote id="blockquote_zmail" style="margin: 0px;"><div><div class="x_120411816moz-cite-prefix">Hi,<br></div><div class="x_120411816moz-cite-prefix"><br></div><div class="x_120411816moz-cite-prefix">On 2026-09-22 11:51, ARIN wrote:<br></div><blockquote><pre class="x_120411816moz-quote-pre">This recommendation has been generally supported overwhelmingly by the community, although some community members have expressed a preference to see the elimination of all out-of-region restrictions. The Advisory Council found that this view is not representative of the feedback overwhelmingly expressed by the community and that it maintains key restrictions to prevent attempts to bypass, manipulate, or exploit unintended gaps in this policy to limit potential abuse, and that the policy is suitable to be advanced to recommended status.<br></pre></blockquote><p>Is ARIN just going to ignore all the opposition to this policy
proposal on the PPML? Last time this policy was brought up on <a href="https://lists.arin.net/pipermail/arin-ppml/2026-August/038480.html" class="x_120411816moz-txt-link-freetext" target="_blank">https://lists.arin.net/pipermail/arin-ppml/2026-August/038480.html</a>,
every reply has been in opposition due to the recent amendment to
this policy. I don't believe our opposition to this policy was
appropriately represented in this summary.<br></p><p>Specifically, the opposition centres around the way the policy
was amended to prohibit out-of-region use as a valid justification
for all available mechanisms for IPv4 resource acquisition from
ARIN directly, forcing everyone who needs out-of-region use to
resort to section 8 transfers. This represents a dramatic change
from the way ARIN currently works and yet, it's effectively
smuggled into this unrelated policy that claims to "remove some
perceived usage minimums" and reduce "harm to smaller
organizations".<br></p><p>This is problematic for many reasons:<br></p><ol><li>The amendment to this draft policy has more impact than entire
draft policies. For example, the recommended draft policy
ARIN-2025-8 will be rendered entirely redundant by the recent
amendment added late into this draft policy, and ARIN-2025-8
would only prohibit out-of-region use for NRPM section 4.10, not
the waiting list.<br></li><li>It will be no longer possible for a certain class of resource
requests, namely those involving out-of-region use, to be
serviced by ARIN directly. It means that the full suite of
ARIN's services will no longer be accessible without a
third-party willing to transfer resources, which in practice
requires paying such parties large sums of money.<br></li><li>While the rationale of the policy claims to reduce harm to
"smaller organizations", it actually forces smaller
organizations to buy IPv4 resources instead of using the waiting
list. As organizations who hold more than /20 in ARIN are not
eligible for the waiting list, that makes everyone who use the
waiting list small organizations in the grand scheme of things,
and so the policy actually harms a lot of "smaller"
organizations.<br></li></ol><p>Furthermore, since the draft policy was dramatically amended
since the previous ARIN meeting, I am not convinced that the
"overwhelming" support by the community applies to newly amended
version, which has been met with much criticism on the PPML.<br></p><p><b>I find it very concerning that the ARIN Advisory Council
ignored all the opposition to this policy and acted as if the
policy has overwhelming support.</b><br></p><blockquote><pre class="x_120411816moz-quote-pre">Out-of-Region Usage Justification may not be used to receive IPv4 address space from the ARIN Waiting List (4.1.8), the Micro-allocation Pool (4.4), or the Dedicated IPv4 Block to Facilitate IPv6 Deployment (4.10).
Any organization already on the Waiting List at the time this policy is implemented will be exempted and shall remain eligible under the rules in effect at the time of its placement on the Waiting List.<br></pre></blockquote><p>This part, specifically, was the main crux of the opposition.<br></p><p>Best regards,<br> Quantum</p>_______________________________________________<br>ARIN-PPML <br>You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to <br>the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List (<a href="mailto:ARIN-PPML@arin.net" target="_blank">ARIN-PPML@arin.net</a>). <br>Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: <br><a href="https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml" target="_blank">https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml</a> <br>Please contact <a href="mailto:info@arin.net" target="_blank">info@arin.net</a> if you experience any issues. <br></div></blockquote></div><div><br></div><div class="zmail_signature_below"><div id="Zm-_Id_-Sgn" data-zbluepencil-ignore="true" data-sigid="4446788000000010019"><div><br></div><div style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size:16px; font-style:normal; font-weight:400; letter-spacing:normal; orphans:2; text-indent:0px; text-transform:none; widows:2; word-spacing:0px; white-space:normal; background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255)"><div style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size:16px; font-style:normal; font-weight:normal; letter-spacing:normal; orphans:2; text-indent:0px; text-transform:none; white-space:normal; widows:2; word-spacing:0px; background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255)"><div style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size:16px; font-style:normal; font-weight:400; letter-spacing:normal; orphans:2; text-indent:0px; text-transform:none; widows:2; word-spacing:0px; white-space:normal; background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255)"><div style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size:16px; font-style:normal; font-weight:normal; letter-spacing:normal; orphans:2; text-indent:0px; text-transform:none; white-space:normal; widows:2; word-spacing:0px; background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255)"><div style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size:16px; font-style:normal; font-weight:400; letter-spacing:normal; orphans:2; text-indent:0px; text-transform:none; widows:2; word-spacing:0px; white-space:normal; background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255)"><div style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size:16px; font-style:normal; font-weight:normal; letter-spacing:normal; orphans:2; text-indent:0px; text-transform:none; white-space:normal; widows:2; word-spacing:0px; background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255)"><div><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(0, 0, 128)"><span class="font" style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><b>Gerry E. 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